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post #37651 of 42250
I'm not going to waste my time or anyone else's rating a restaurant online, but if I had good food somewhere, but shitty service, that's exactly how I'll describe the place if anyone asks me about it. I wouldn't rule the place out, but it probably wouldn't be high on my list of places to eat in the future. I'd probably try it out again though at some point, and if I get shitty service again, there'd be no way I'd eat there again. But if the food's good, might get take out.

Some people care more about the food, and others the experience. For me, there's a time and a place for each. Toj is a scenario where you're getting a great product with a long line, and barebones service. I got my MMM within 3 business days of purchasing it, but it was also the price my wool MA-1, and both my and my girlfriend's BCDRs. You get what you pay for.
Edited by Krish the Fish - 2/16/14 at 6:09pm
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While I understand TOJ jackets aren't exactly cheap, you're still paying a fraction of what it should cost for this type of quality. The service is exactly what you're paying for. Drew had said he could hire someone monitoring the production line and give you exact updates to your order, better packaging, better service, but that will inevitably add to the cost of the item.

I'm not sure if most people here would be willing to pay $1200-$1300 for a jacket for this higher level of service. I've always accepted that as a reality of the price I'm paying.

Since we're using a restaurant analogy, I recently had a chance to try two different Michelin star restaurants in NYC and the service was impeccable. I paid the price to receive this type of service.

But I was also on the opposite side of the fence where I paid cheap prices for amazing food, with mediocre service and really long wait times. I accepted that as a reality due to the price I was paying for the food. At the end of the day, you're paying $700-$800 for a jacket that should be $5000+ and the service you're getting is appropriate to that value proposition.
post #37653 of 42250

Sometimes the food is just too good to give a shit about the bad service.

 

I know an indian place like this. Total hole in the wall. The kind of place that was made to service taxi drivers, but got known. The kind of place where the guy behind the counter gives you your change back on the counter instead of handing it to you. Nasty bathrooms, dirty trays (yes, they serve your food on trays) left on tables by customers, and long lines during peak hours.

 

Dat Biryani though. 

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It's kind of impractical to think of money simply going directly towards the purchase of the materials and labor of the garment. Even with clothes you're paying for an experience, brand identity, and most importantly, the aesthetic of the garment (this is styleforum after all). 

 

I don't think you can reasonably say a TOJ jacket "should" cost $5000. Even high end artisanal leather jackets cost less than that, and with the bigger brands it's just mark up. And it's not like buying from TOJ doesn't have its own unique drawbacks. 

post #37655 of 42250
post #37656 of 42250
Food over service any day


Cheap, tasty and interesting food with minimal service is my favorite way to dine
post #37657 of 42250
so uh, I'm actually contemplating a third jacket eek.gif


thinking about a black/black toj0 since it's the first toj I originally wanted

another signature dumb question of mine: does the toj0's wool's being higher quality make it less susceptible to picking up lint/dust?
post #37658 of 42250
I'm getting this feeling you mean pilling
post #37659 of 42250
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Originally Posted by SurakiCrim View Post

I'm getting this feeling you mean pilling

nah I really mean lint/dust since that stuff is usually super visible on black clothing (on cotton and wool, anyway)

but speaking of pilling I wouldn't mind people weighing in on how their toj0s are holding up with regard to that too smile.gif
Edited by masshi - 2/17/14 at 1:07am
post #37660 of 42250

Thinking of getting a BCDR for my second jacket; already have a brown lamb A2

 

Should I get house special black lamb or black calf?  How do the chest flaps hold?  Do they blow around funny/hard to keep flat?  I was thinking of leaning towards calf cause I wanted a leather that I didn't have to baby as much (not that lamb has to be babied, but I want something I could "throw around" a bit more) but I keep hearing good things about the house special..

post #37661 of 42250
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Originally Posted by FireGX View Post

Thinking of getting a BCDR for my second jacket; already have a brown lamb A2

Should I get house special black lamb or black calf?  How do the chest flaps hold?  Do they blow around funny/hard to keep flat?  I was thinking of leaning towards calf cause I wanted a leather that I didn't have to baby as much (not that lamb has to be babied, but I want something I could "throw around" a bit more) but I keep hearing good things about the house special..

I have experience with 5 TOJ leathers: navy, brown, and black lambskin and brown and olive calf. All TOJ leather are nice, but some are nicer than others. For example, I feel the black and navy lambskin are a cut above the brown lamb. As for calf, the olive calf is nicer than the brown calf (IMO). I think if you do not have one, there is something to be said for having at least one jacket in the black lamb, as it really is something special. I have no personal experience with the black calf, but I would surmise that lambskin is the nicer choice. If you are worried about flaps, you could always consider something like an MDR which has snaps to keep the flaps down.

In short, I really love my olive calf, but if I were getting a black jacket from TOJ. I would without hesitation go with lambskin.
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I'm thinking about getting a Moto 2011. This will be my second jacket, my first one being the Minimalist Double Rider in black lamb. I was thinkign about getting calfskin for the Moto, also in black. Anybody else got opinions on this combination, in general?

 

What do you think about black zippers?

post #37663 of 42250

I think (just from looking at pictures online) calf works well with the moto.

 

I've never liked black zips on black, but it wouldn't look objectively bad if if it's what you want. It just eliminates contrast, I think.

post #37664 of 42250
Go black calf 4-zip moto with gold zips. You'd be ballin' out.
post #37665 of 42250
More suede harrington.

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