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Have a couple orders in the pipeline and thinking about adding a lighter colored 4 zip CM to the mix. Any opinions on sand vs toffee vs whiskey (lamb)? Leaning bright whiskey with silver zips.

Don't do 4zip and CM it's like you're trying to combine something edgy with a jacket that's clean

 

You might be right... the more I browse the gallery, the more I prefer the 2-zips to the 4-zips CMs.

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I'm sorry if my post was taken seriously; it was intended to be a joke about only learning how to use Excel in college and applying it to Jawnz. Here is a serious response:

 

I understand your apprehension, especially if you're a first time buyer. I was nervous too when I first purchased my jacket. But I think you may have complicated your situation by going to 6 different people -- sometimes ignorance is bliss, and you have to have faith in the Temple. I had a girl in my lab help measure me. Did it three different times, then averaged those values, and they were all within +/- 0.1-0.2 in. I also measured myself, and as Gauss said, in any case that there was a discrepancy, I went with the larger value. Then it comes to the age old adage of "trust Charly." I think if you fully explain your desire for the jacket, and give measurements, he will provide you the best. The service Charly provides is amazing: in this last BCDR order I had, we agreed on measurements and I paid, but he followed up and asked for another jacket measurement -- he ended up modifying the length of my jacket because he had a hunch that it might end up being too long. This was after we had agreed on measurements, and I had sent payment. Charly isn't messing around -- he's aiming to give you the best. But at the end of the day, you just have to -- as cliche as it is -- take a leap of faith and just trust that your best judgment on measurements was made, and have faith that Charly will be baller, as he has been.

 

To address your, "this forum is full of dicks who aren't willing to help out," I don't think you help yourself by essentially berating the thread with, "F YOU GUYS! YOU GUYS AREN'T SUPPORTIVE! THIS IS MY FIRST TIME! I'M WORRIED HELP ME OUT! F YOU ALL!" While this thread is full of sass (I'm looking at you nahneun), in my experience, if you aren't just a troll (Distorbant), or are being stupid, people are extremely helpful. I've pm'd multiple people in this thread, and their advice is great, and in general they've been helpful advisors in more things than just TOJ. But I'm sure they wouldn't have been as inclined to help, had I been like "YOU ARE ALL UNHELPFUL! I'M A FIRST TIMER! F YOU! ... oh hey, cyc wid it, will you answer some questions for me?" 

 

This is like The Sandlot, and you're Smalls. You have to earn the respect of the group before you get to play ball. I feel like this applies to any group dynamic in life in general. Trust me, I've only been here a year, so I'm even hesitant to be preachy like this.

 

TL;DR: Simplify your measurements strategy; have faith in Charly. Know your place, be respectful, the TOJ community wants to see sick jackets with sick fits.

 

 

 

Agreed, and I'm sorry I took your last post seriously instead of with a pinch of salt.

Also, I'd like to apologise to all members of this forum who felt like I came out swinging and aggressive. My comments weren't meant to be generalised to all of you, but rather a response to the minority of people who, instead of posting anything of value, would rather belittle newcomers and post sarcastic remarks. I think some of this hostility is pretty unwarranted, and obviously others in this thread do too.

It wasn't my intention to berate the thread in the manner you described. I was merely seeking some information. It was only in response to a couple of replies obviously directed toward me that those kind of comments came out, and they weren't directed at all of you.

I actually think this forum is full of helpful people. I got some extremely valuable replies in response to my posts.

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i just get annoyed with the clusterfuck of tracking updates and first time buyer posts that make it difficult to sift out any relevant information... which simply leads to more "trust charly" posts and the usual one or two dissenters. it's happened every time there was a significant event at toj. people fucking need to learn to use their own brains instead of expecting the internet to make all their decisions for them. using a tape measure isn't rocket science, nor is finding a tailor to do it for you if you're too nervous to do it yourself.

If anyone saw my post and has similar measurements / a comment on the fit, all they needed to do was PM me. One user did this, and I'm extremely grateful to them. It was thoughtful, helpful, and hopefully didn't take them too long to do it. No one really needed to reply to it on here, especially in an overwhelmingly negative manner. It seems that if this had happened, there would be no problem sifting through all these posts.

Anyway, I'd like to apologise one last time to the posters on here for causing this s***storm, and say thank you to all the users who have provided me with valuable replies and information.
 
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I measured myself and I also had my personal trainer measure me, same results.

The reality of the situation is this, measuring yourself is very simple and there are a wealth of articles on the Internet for this.

In the worst case scenario that you mess up on measuring, I don't see anybody with a brain can be off more than 0.5" in their measurements. Assuming you are off by 0.5", that isn't going to make or break your jacket.

$800 is a sizeable investment for a jacket, but quite honestly if you are doubting your measurements or Charly for that matter, it really doesn't matter what anyone else in this thread says b/c you will be second guessing or questioning yourself the entire time.

This has nothing to do with how helpful or unhelpful people are in this thread. If you aren't sure about your measurements or Charly's recommendations, no one can assure you otherwise.

If all you're looking for is someone who is similar build to you to message you and say "everything will be okay, you measured correctly" doesn't really do a whole lot of good other than to receive confirmation bias and somehow make you feel better psychologically. Aside from that, I fail to see how that would actually help you in getting a good fitting jacket.
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I got my jacket slightly oversized. Gonna fill it in with muscle. (And sweaters in the meanwhile)

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The reality of the situation is this, measuring yourself is very simple and there are a wealth of articles on the Internet for this.

This has nothing to do with how helpful or unhelpful people are in this thread. If you aren't sure about your measurements or Charly's recommendations, no one can assure you otherwise.

If all you're looking for is someone who is similar build to you to message you and say "everything will be okay, you measured correctly" doesn't really do a whole lot of good other than to receive confirmation bias and somehow make you feel better psychologically. Aside from that, I fail to see how that would actually help you in getting a good fitting jacket.

If you actually read my first post, I said nothing about doubting my measurements.

All I did was express my excitement, and the fact that I was nervous as this was my first MTM order. Then I asked for a bit of reassurance. I fail to see how this is half as bad as some people are making it out to be. I certainly never expected such a torrent of negative and disparaging remarks because of it.

As an aside-I disagree that measuring oneself for the first time is as simple as some people here make it out to be. I measured the sleeve length of a leather rider jacket I own, and the measurement differed by a full inch depending on whether the measurement was made to the inside or outside cuff...an inch on the sleeve length CAN make or break the fit, IMO. But that's another debate.
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Where are all my BCDRs at? Seems like MDRs are poppin' out a plenty, but no early January BCDRs frown.gif
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^Got mine a long time ago, but am overseas (in Beijing) at the moment, so will not even get to see it until August frown.gif
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Alright, keep going back and forth between CM and A2. I want something versatile in brown calf that I can beat the shit out of over the next few years. I'd appreciate any thoughts from those who own both on what they find themselves reaching for more often.

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easy a2 for me. removable fur collar for added swag.
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A2 is not available in brown calf, so go with CM if that is what you want

If you are only going to get one leather, go lamb (i.e. brown lamb A2)
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If you are only going to get one leather, go lamb (i.e. brown lamb A2)

Can I ask why? How does the lamb hold up to snow?

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Can I ask why? How does the lamb hold up to snow?

Because the toj black lamb is just... Incredible. Looks better 1.5 years later than the day i got it. Black lamb 2010 dr was my first purchase and i still feel like i'm cheating on it when i wear anything else.

I probably wouldn't go sledriding in it, though.
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Is there a set cutoff for orders yet? I'm on a cut right now which means my body is not ready (literally)

EDIT: sorry got my answer, sounds like another 3 weeks or so... shit.
Edited by Stillblade - 6/22/13 at 1:24am
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God I don't understand the worries and babying the leather. Supposed to look worn in and have some love bites visible
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sorry to harp on about this dark brown goat thing but can anyone talk about the texture a little more? in particular, how come jabberwock's jacket appears to be slightly glossy while lorcan's and le sam's seem to be very matte? i think the jabberwock jacket is beautiful but on me matte leathers look better. wondering if i should just go black lamb for my 4 zip moto...
Edited by robinsongreen68 - 6/22/13 at 2:47am
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