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Originally Posted by Krish the Fish View Post

 have been schlepping to class with my laptop and notebook in hand.

 

That's not schlepping that's graduate school.

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Is the Suede T1 still available or no?
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Originally Posted by Rookje View Post

Is the Suede T1 still available or no?

read the post, yo. all items but the ocbd are available. also @cookie yeah im 17. definitely leaning towards the bcdr at this point. my style is pretty inoffensive and stuff but I think a quilted bcdr would look sick and definitely wearable. I don't really understand jackets looking "too aggresive" except maybe with like the 2013 dr. I would only feel confident stepping out in a bcdr
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Originally Posted by hooker4186 View Post


I was freaking out over measurements measuring and remeasuring and comparing and measuring and my wife finally said "dude, just trust Charly."

I lol'ed
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Originally Posted by stevent View Post


woah how cropped do you want your jacket? Anything shorter than the 22 / 24 is crazy short


He's 5'8. I'm about 5'6-7 and my jacket is 20.5 front and 22.5 back.

post #31836 of 40757
if you can't follow detailed instructions on how to take basic measurements on yourself and trust Charly, then you deserve a bad fitting jacket. It's only natural selection.
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I ordered an A2. I just went with Charly's advice.

If I did take my measurements right, then I'm sure I'll get something good. We'll see.
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Originally Posted by Potsnu View Post

if you can't follow detailed instructions on how to take basic measurements on yourself and trust Charly, then you deserve a bad fitting jacket. It's only natural selection.
 

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by noirwest View Post

good god, this thread has almost become unreadable.  brb, let me freak out about measurements and post what I submitted and then ask strangers on the internet whether they think it'll fit me ever though you post no fit pics of anything.

 

The only challenge for anyone is SEVEN measurements of your own body.  If you can manage to do that and also measure a current piece of clothing you own, Charly will give you an amazing jacket.  It's seriously not that hard.  Dude has helped hundreds of people get awesome fitting jackets, chances are if you can use a measuring tape, you're gonna get an awesome jacket too.

 

 


Wow, what an absolute bunch of crap. It's exactly this that has made me so hesitant to post in this thread for so long.

For what it's worth, I 'trusted Charly' with my measurements. The only (incredibly minor) changes I made were -0.1" to body length, and +0.3" to sleeve length. Both were adjustments I made off taking his suggestions into account, and then re-measuring both myself, and a jacket that I own.

The problem is, your average person probably won't know exactly, for example, the points where they should take their shoulder measurements from. I know there are pictures and a brief description on the John Coppidge site, but chances are, if you've never measured yourself before, you're not going to feel 100% confident about EXACTLY where the points are on your own body.

You can roll your eyes and spout unhelpful and sarcastic remarks about it all you like, but I went to 4 different shops to get my measurements, and walked away with 4 different sets. After this, I decided to measure myself and get my girlfriend to double check. I even had the TOJ measurement guid OPEN on the computer, so we could read its instructions EXACTLY. Guess what? None of the 6 different sets were exactly the same.

It's not as straight-forward as you claim it is to get your perfect measurements, and feel comfortable that they're correct...especially when it's your first time doing so. And when you drop $800 on a jacket that you won't see or feel for months, you want to feel confident in what you ordered.


Yes, Charly knows his shit. I'm not doubting him. Does that mean I don't feel a little nervous about the whole affair? No.

You guys think you're better than so many people here. Why? Because you have one or more TOJs already? Because you had an easy time getting your measurements right? Because you've measured yourself before, and don't need to ask someones else's opinion on your measurements? Well I'm sorry I don't belong to your elite club.

You guys need to come on down off your high horses. Don't first time buyers have a right to be nervous and ask others who own multiple pieces for their opinions? Where else are people going to get the chance to ask for a second opinion on sizing?

And posts like this:
 

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Originally Posted by cyc wid it View Post

In 4 months, I expect to read about many a jacket that was sized too slim upon customer request. Complaints of "I can't lift my arms!" and "I can't zip it up all the way" will abound. So will bad fit pics.
 

 

Wow. You sound legitimately happy about this. What an awesome attitude to have.

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Originally Posted by flahertongs View Post

 

 

 

 

 


Wow, what an absolute bunch of crap. It's exactly this that has made me so hesitant to post in this thread for so long.

For what it's worth, I 'trusted Charly' with my measurements. The only (incredibly minor) changes I made were -0.1" to body length, and +0.3" to sleeve length. Both were adjustments I made off taking his suggestions into account, and then re-measuring both myself, and a jacket that I own.

The problem is, your average person probably won't know exactly, for example, the points where they should take their shoulder measurements from. I know there are pictures and a brief description on the John Coppidge site, but chances are, if you've never measured yourself before, you're not going to feel 100% confident about EXACTLY where the points are on your own body.

You can roll your eyes and spout unhelpful and sarcastic remarks about it all you like, but I went to 4 different shops to get my measurements, and walked away with 4 different sets. After this, I decided to measure myself and get my girlfriend to double check. I even had the TOJ measurement guid OPEN on the computer, so we could read its instructions EXACTLY. Guess what? None of the 6 different sets were exactly the same.

It's not as straight-forward as you claim it is to get your perfect measurements, and feel comfortable that they're correct...especially when it's your first time doing so. And when you drop $800 on a jacket that you won't see or feel for months, you want to feel confident in what you ordered.


Yes, Charly knows his shit. I'm not doubting him. Does that mean I don't feel a little nervous about the whole affair? No.

You guys think you're better than so many people here. Why? Because you have one or more TOJs already? Because you had an easy time getting your measurements right? Because you've measured yourself before, and don't need to ask someones else's opinion on your measurements? Well I'm sorry I don't belong to your elite club.

You guys need to come on down off your high horses. Don't first time buyers have a right to be nervous and ask others who own multiple pieces for their opinions? Where else are people going to get the chance to ask for a second opinion on sizing?

And posts like this:
 

 

Wow. You sound legitimately happy about this. What an awesome attitude to have.

 

Couldn't agree more. I measured myself, and sent it to Charly with certain specifications. After getting a reply from Charly with the measurements, I took out a leather jacket and another cropped/slim fitted coat that I owned and measured them both. Then from there I had the measurements that Charly sent back adjusted. I ended up with the fit that I was looking and hoping for.

 

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Take six measurements, use Excel to give you an AVG and STDEV. Low end for slim, high end for regular. That's what they taught me in college.

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Originally Posted by B0Bs4g3t View Post

Take six measurements, use Excel to give you an AVG and STDEV. Low end for slim, high end for regular. That's what they taught me in college.

I like this approach, but I would simply take the largest 6.
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Originally Posted by B0Bs4g3t View Post

Take six measurements, use Excel to give you an AVG and STDEV. Low end for slim, high end for regular. That's what they taught me in college.

What, you don't think I averaged them for the measurements I sent to Charly? I'm not an idiot. I just wanted a second opinion from someone here who is about my build and also owns a TOJ, to put my mind at rest. Some of you guys are acting like I just committed some kind of heinous offence. What the hell is wrong with asking the community here for a second opinion on measurements?

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Pretty much why MTM will be gone forever, even if TOJ comes back.  

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Originally Posted by flahertongs View Post

What, you don't think I averaged them for the measurements I sent to Charly? I'm not an idiot. I just wanted a second opinion from someone here who is about my build and also owns a TOJ, to put my mind at rest. Some of you guys are acting like I just committed some kind of heinous offence. What the hell is wrong with asking the community here for a second opinion on measurements?

There really isn't. It's just like when people say "tracking received, can't wait" and 5 people say " no one cares", even though they bothered enough to write a response. People tend to judge a situation based on their current knowledge or state of mind, not the one they possessed when they ordered their first jacket. It is a natural thing to be a bit OCD when ordering a MTM jacket that costs ~$700-800 and is non-returnable. If you want second opinions, by all means ask, but you will just have to ignore the negative feedback. Although, a better way to check measurements, is to ask someone who has ordered that jacket via PM. Even better yet, if you know someone is similar to you in size, ask them. When I was ordering my first jacket, I found this a much better source of information beyond "ask charly". I probably did what most people did: measure myself, send those to charly, then adjusted them slightly. It worked pretty well, although I did end up selling one jacket out of four. I might argue the greatest benefit of checking with other people is in terms of mental sanity or confidence that the measurements were correct, whether or no that really had a huge impact on the sizing of my jacket it would be hard to say. As many people and myself have stated, if you are wavering between two measurements, go with the larger one.
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Originally Posted by Dbear View Post

Pretty much why MTM will be gone forever, even if TOJ comes back.

Like I said, in any MTM venture, people are going to second guess you and themselves and be concerned that something isn't going to fit OK. Especially when they risk a fair chunk of change. I can understand why it is going away as it is a hassle beyond just having unique measurements for each jacket, but I do not think anyone is "the reason" or really warrants the blame. It is simply the nature of the business. If you buy a MTM suit, most of the time, you can tell the tailor something is wrong and they can fix it or they will make you a new suit.
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As much as everyone says to "trust Charly," it's just common sense to take the measurements he suggests and compare it to a well fitting jacket you have. Hell, even sketch out the measurements he gives you on a big board and throw your jacket on top of those measurements and see how it fits. The measurements Charly suggested for my first jacket were actually quite smaller than what I needed. I compared it to a jacket I already owned and increased the p2p, arm width and shoulder, but it still came a bit too tight. Sold my first TOJ for a loss and ordered a second one with proper adjustments. This has been said by other TOJ owners; that you may not get the perfect jacket your first time, so I can understand why first time buyers are freaking out a bit more, since it will probably be their first and only time to get a TOJ. I always found this thread to be helpful but recently (maybe its because of the fact that TOJ is closing shop for a while and everyone's just a bit more on edge lately) everyone has been quite dismissive. I am really grateful to have gotten all the help I needed here, and from Charly, but let's not discourage first time buyers by telling them that they "deserve" ill-fitting jackets because of their lack of knowledge in the MTM game... and to all first time buyers: trust Charly, but use common sense and check his suggestions.

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