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Originally Posted by B0Bs4g3t View Post

 

Ahh, yeah -- I forgot all those nice pics of the whiskey were with a calf they don't have anymore. 

 

As Dbear said, I wouldn't write off the whiskey lamb. But also that dark brown goat looks fantastic too. Can't go wrong.

 

Haha yeah forsure.  I'll keep my eyes open for some other options, and my worst case scenario's pretty damn good at this point...

 

 


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Originally Posted by AceBoogie View Post


You guys are making the lamb sound like some fragile leather that will fall apart at anything.

I've worn lamb in every season except for summer in NYC and its fine. Having a bit of rain or snow on it doesn't affect it at all
 
Good to know too.  How's the lamb been for you in terms of wear and tear?  No issues with scratches or anything?
 
'Cause if I feel comfortable with the lamb than a couple more color options open up... just trying to find something I can wear as often as possible in as many situations as possible.
post #30212 of 45017

I swear this thread is stuck in some kind of cyclical alternate dimension 

 

edit: paging timekeeper willy

post #30213 of 45017
a bit of wear and tear on the cuffs but thats to be expected, especially after almost 2 years of hard wear. If I cared Im sure it could be oiled and look like new for 20$
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Yeah cuffs will be the point of major wear. I dunno what kind of hard wearing you do in your leather jackets, but I don't go around doing manual labour in mine so it's not like I have rips or anything. A couple scuffs here and there, but that's just part of wearing it.
post #30215 of 45017
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Originally Posted by JackL2 View Post

Hey guys, been thinking about this long and hard and decided one of these'll be my next big purchase.  Need some help narrowing down which one to choose, though, was hoping you guys could help me out.

Some considerations:
  • I don't own any other leather jackets.
  • I have a few black jackets already, namely a waxed cotton Belstaff Roadmaster and a peacoat.  Not sure if I need another, am leaning toward the brown or some sort of whiskey now.
  • My chief consideration is versatility (and durability to the extent that I don't have to baby it).  I'd like to wear this as often as possible, so no particularly unusual color or setup, etc.
  • I have an athletic frame.  6'1", 45" chest and 33" at the waistband of my jeans.  That said, if the jacket extends past the waist (which is more than fine) it'd shoot out again due to thighs.  This doesn't matter so much since most TOJ's seem to have the ribbing.

What jacket would I look good in and be able to wear often?


So far, I'm looking at the TOJ Moto 2011 or CWU-45P, although I really can't rule out the MDR either haha... 

So the current picks would be:
  • Calf TOJ Moto 2011 in some shade of brown (I'm thinking calf so far due to taking wear better than the lamb.  Any thoughts?)
  • Brown goat CWU-45P
  • Brown goat MDR with silver YKK zips

Open to any and all suggestions.  Figured I ought to jot my thoughts out here, but nothing's set in stone in the slightest, this is just what I'm thinking currently.  What'd look good and versatile?

There was a brief discussion on which jackets would look best on which body type a few pages back, but that was short lived. I'm in the same boat as you regarding frame (except I'm looking at the Moto, BCDR, or DR(unlikely, look-wise)).

In a perfect world, mrchariybrown would model for meatheads that want to get jcoppidged.
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Charly looked good in his rider jacket.

post #30217 of 45017
Oh man daypack cutoff is midnight tonight, right? What to do????

Going to med school next year or so, I dunno if I should shell out for it or if other things might be better investments.
post #30218 of 45017
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Originally Posted by JackL2 View Post

Would the lamb hold up to frequent outside wear in NYC?  Some rain, a little snow, and some unpredictable situation here and there?

I can vouch that it will hold up to all these things.
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Is there any chance of any shades of whiskey besides the current "Bright Whiskey" lamb reappearing, in either lamb or calf?

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Originally Posted by AceBoogie View Post

You guys are making the lamb sound like some fragile leather that will fall apart at anything.

I've worn lamb in every season except for summer in NYC and its fine. Having a bit of rain or snow on it doesn't affect it at all

lets be honest though, lamb is the most delicate of the offerings. I don't think weather is going to be an issue with it, but the leather is just *really* soft (which is why it is awesome). Soft things don't do great with abrasioun.

I've got a nice pair of nicks in the back of mine that are from an edge on somebody's watch or ring at a party. I even remember bumping into someone and being like "damn, thats probably not good". There's another nick or two on it (in addition to the cuff wear that is expected).

Is it a serious issue? no
does it mostly vanish with a little renovateur ? yes*
would it have happened on my calf motorcycle jacket? no

You just gotta decide. Do you want the soft lamb and accept that it might take on some character fairly easily? or do you go with heavy calf which will probably look fine after a bouncer throws you into a gutter (or goat which it sounds like fits somewhere in the middle).


*the physical nicks/scars are obviously still there, but the color is uniform and you won't notice it unless you are looking for the damage.
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Where does goat fall in the realm of durability? Equivalent to lamb?
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Originally Posted by L.R. View Post

Where does goat fall in the realm of durability? Equivalent to lamb?

I haven't seen the TOJ goat, but I own motorcycle gear made out of goat...never seen anything made from lamb.
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ok

post #30224 of 45017
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Originally Posted by JackL2 View Post

Hey guys, been thinking about this long and hard and decided one of these'll be my next big purchase.  Need some help narrowing down which one to choose, though, was hoping you guys could help me out.

 

Some considerations:

 

  • I don't own any other leather jackets.
  • I have a few black jackets already, namely a waxed cotton Belstaff Roadmaster and a peacoat.  Not sure if I need another, am leaning toward the brown or some sort of whiskey now.

 

What jacket would I look good in and be able to wear often?

 

So the current picks would be:

  • Calf TOJ Moto 2011 in some shade of brown (I'm thinking calf so far due to taking wear better than the lamb.  Any thoughts?)
  • Brown goat CWU-45P
  • Brown goat MDR with silver YKK zips

 

Open to any and all suggestions.  Figured I ought to jot my thoughts out here, but nothing's set in stone in the slightest, this is just what I'm thinking currently.  What'd look good and versatile?

 

I was in a similar situation as you. I just placed my TOJ order, and although I don't think there can be a definitive approach to what is ultimately a completely subjective and personal ordeal that is ordering a TOJ, maybe sharing my thought process can be helpful... 

 

impolyt_one:
Everybody should get a black jacket before they start in on colors. You don't need to match it to anything, it's a black leather jacket. Goes with everything.

 

For a beginner like me, I started with the idea in my head of getting the 'perfect' thing to fill what I perceived to be a gap in my 'ideal' wardrobe. It's sort of like, once I get a leather jacket, I'll never need another leather jacket because it's already taken care of. I was never too attracted to the idea of having lots of different types and variations of something, maybe I'm boring, but I'd rather just have one thing that is as close as to perfection (as I see it to be) as possible. Of course, I totally understand how some people won't agree with this kind of thinking, and if they want jackets in whiskey and electric blue and sherwood green and ivory, all the power to them. Maybe one day I'll be the same. But as a newbie, not knowing good from bad, I resolved to defer to those who I viewed as the experts, to put my faith in them and trust their vision. So I started reading, and reading a lot. Like you, aesthetics, versatility and 'timelessness' were priorities for me.  To start, before I even considered jacket styles, I considered color. And because of my perspective, I knew that the only real choices I had were brown and black:

 

impolyt_one:
It's a jacket you can abuse if you want to. It's an empty canvas. If you want perfection in a black leather jacket, you get black leather. If you want 'natural' and the imperfections in the skin that come along with that, then you go with veg tan. You would look like a professional badass once your jacket is broken in, tanned and browned, and had a few scars in it. Styles will come and go but a collared single-breasted leather jacket will probably stay cool forever, especially one tanned over time. Sadly, it'll last you longer than your pets.

 

You can really argue with yourself all day back and forth between black and brown. I know I did. I think I was indoctrinated with the menswear idea that brown is more versatile than black; that brown is an easier, safer color, whereas black is more difficult to harness, more aggressive, more nuanced. I considered my hair color and skin tone, and how the color of the jacket would frame my face. I considered my existing wardrobe and the how the jacket would complement the color palette of my shirts and pants and shoes. I even considered how I would literally feel, by imagining myself wearing a black vs a brown jacket. This may sound cheesy, but when I close my eyes and picture my ideal wardrobe, hanging on a clothing rack in the middle of an open loft... on bare hardwood floors, with sunlight filtering in through the windows and softly bathing my clothes in gentle warmth; I see a black leather jacket. No, I see MY black leather jacket. Hanging there radiating quiet power, waiting for me... inviting me in. At that moment, I knew that my choice was made for me.

 

impolyt_one:
Dress your body type - moto and MDR are sometimes good for one build and not the other, and some people are lucky enough to make both work. I think stouter guys should gravitate towards the Moto, and slimmer guys should go to the DRs.
 
Easiest/hardest to wear depends on your a) build b) shoulder/neck/face width c) accompanying wardrobe. To me if there was one jacket that everybody could wear, considering the above, it'd be the 4 pocket moto or the cwu 45 actually. Both in black lamb.
 
[The quintessentials are:] Black cwu, brown goat 4 zip MDR, brown A2, moto black or brown calf or goat, MDR 4 zip version black or brown goatskin or black lamb, QDR all lamb colors, A2 in black or brown lamb, black or brown goat...
 
But some styles just aren't cut out for each person. I can't really wear DRs either and I'm slim... I personally can't wear the DR and feel comfortable in it. My face is too wide for it and the neckline goes low so it looks like I've got a bobbly head on a spear of neck flesh, not a good look for me.

 

As I learned about styling, colors, leathers, and zippers, I started to realize there were some that were favored over others. To my inexperienced eye, I couldn't really tell the difference between silver and gunmetal zips, or goat and calf. I didn't know much about the advantages or disadvantages between riri and ykk, or ribbed and standard collars. By looking through the gallery images over and over again, I eventually started to feel drawn to some styles but not others. You might crudely categorize bombers as 'staid' or 'dadcore', DRs as 'bikerish', etc. but I think that everyone naturally gravitates to one or two styles according to a fuzzy notion of what they feel is stylistically pleasing to them. From here on, my biases will be quite obvious...

 

On materials:

 

Synthese:
Black lamb is superior

 

impolyt_one:
To be really honest, I prefer lamb for everything. They're obviously not jackets for really riding a bike in, but lamb falls nicely on you right out of the box, you can wear it a little slimmer because it stretches and doesn't crease hard in your elbows or pits like the harder leathers do, and it looks really fucking cool when you have a Bomber in A-2 style but it's cut trimly... The thick lamb we have is something really nice, not run of the mill stuff... it's 'ours' if anything were.

 

On zippers:

 

Synthese:
Silver zippers are superior

 

omgcookielol:
All four of the leathers that I've ordered have black hardware; I love the look, but I know from experience that trying to wear them with something as simple as 'white tee+faded indigo' ends up looking like some poorly thought out color-blocking experiment gone horribly wrong. If you don't believe me, look through the galleries and decide how many of those fits would have benefited from opting for silver/gunmetal hardware before you make up your mind.
 
impolyt_one:
There's something to Riri zippers, and there's more to YKK's than is commonly known; the zipper discussion here doesn't reflect any of the measurable qualities of zippers, in actuality. I've never really read anything substantial regarding zippers on styleforum, ever, actually.

 

On styles:

 

Synthese:
The 4-zip is superior

 

omgcookielol:
In my opinion: if you think wearing a monochrome t-shirt and some jeans that fit feels out of character (or scary) then save yourself the closet space and skip on the rider. If you're self-conscious about hardware, why bother with a rider? Opt for a CM, bomber, or trucker. If the jacket fits your frame and the rest of your clothes fit, it will look good on you. If you're the type of guy who wants to 'mix things up' by throwing a rider over your obcd/chino/brogue uniform, save people the eyesore and cop a bomber or truckers jacket. Black lamb silver 4 zip DR is king, and if you only want/can have 1, get the 4zip. The finishing on the cuffs, the balance of details on the front, and the cut of the jacket make it one of the most baller choices next to the bcdr imo.

 

impolyt_one:
The CWU in black lamb is unbelievably nice, nobody really listens to me here, but it must be seen to be believed, and ordered as-is without trying to change it.
 
The CWU is just about perfect - funny thing is, it was a one shot prototype and it came out like that. It's really impressive. That quilt DR is on about the same level, but the CWU is nice for different people. My old man could wear it, street wear dudes could wear it, skinny fashunz dudes could wear it if they size it slim, that is probably testament to it being one of those kinds of pieces that will just last forever.

 

Gauss17:
Here is the thing about the DR, but really this applies to any piece of, what I will call, "more eccentric" article of clothing. Some people are just born with the look, personality, or swagger to more easily pull off anything they put on, initially anyhow. That said, when someone gets a new, notable item of clothing or tries out a new look, it is unusual, because it is new. It is not something your friends, coworkers, or family currently see as "you". Hence, you get more comments, be them positive or negative. After awhile, if you stick with it, that new look becomes "you". It has been associated with you long enough that it no longer looks out of place and it is no longer a question of "pulling it off". That is simply how you dress. I guess I will put it this way. If you like it and can feel comfortable in it, you will eventually "pull it off". The question is then: what jacket/style do you like best? Or what style/jacket do you want to become your style?

 

And finally, if I had to summarize all of this into one concise message, I couldn't have done it better than this:

 

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Keep it simple everyone: Pick a style. Pick a color/material. Don't deviate crazily from Drew's vision with modifications. Take careful measurements. Send them to Charly and trust him entirely.

 

Before this, I never owned any leather jackets. I still don't own one. I didn't know anything about leather jackets. I still don't know much. But I suspect that like you, I was inexplicably and inexorably drawn to TOJ. Maybe it was the cult-like devotion of its followers, or the purported quality:price ratio, or the exclusive feeling of owning a MTM jacket... I don't know, but I knew I had to have one, even if it was just to see for myself what all the hype was about. After going through all this, I feel like I've been on a great journey already. But in reality, my journey has yet to begin...

 

Hope that helped

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