fwiw, I'd love to be able to make more stuff at the lower price points - problem is, it's easier to increase more to the content relative to price, so the leather jackets are the better position. If people were willing to understand that it requires making preset stock sizes and using a factory instead of the one by one model - then there are things that can be made (not leathers, but other jackets and small fun things) and sold at the lower price points. They're obviously not going to be bad-fitting, but they won't fit all, naturally.
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2/11/13 at 7:53pm
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2/11/13 at 8:03pm
Quote:
everyone always like to see lower price points, but with two TOJs in my closet, amongst many other jackets, i can't say I'm anything less than extremely satisfied. i don't feel as if long term they are that expensive because they are not exactly trendy, but rather something that for 800$ fits perfect, and ill wear for a long time. already planning my 3rd purchase, just a matter of what which is a great problem to have with a brandOriginally Posted by impolyt_one 
fwiw, I'd love to be able to make more stuff at the lower price points - problem is, it's easier to increase more to the content relative to price, so the leather jackets are the better position. If people were willing to understand that it requires making preset stock sizes and using a factory instead of the one by one model - then there are things that can be made (not leathers, but other jackets and small fun things) and sold at the lower price points. They're obviously not going to be bad-fitting, but they won't fit all, naturally.

fwiw, I'd love to be able to make more stuff at the lower price points - problem is, it's easier to increase more to the content relative to price, so the leather jackets are the better position. If people were willing to understand that it requires making preset stock sizes and using a factory instead of the one by one model - then there are things that can be made (not leathers, but other jackets and small fun things) and sold at the lower price points. They're obviously not going to be bad-fitting, but they won't fit all, naturally.
post #27379 of 30804
2/11/13 at 8:05pm
I can see why you want to drop the m2m thing, death by a thousand cuts, I would probably hang myself after a day of reading the emails.........but if you offer 44-46-48-50-52 in regular and long sizes in everything (leathers, wool jackets, etc), that will probably fulfill the needs of about 95% of the people here who are interested and substantially reduce the hassle.
just spitballing here; you have more data and think about it 24-7, or maybe 10-6
just spitballing here; you have more data and think about it 24-7, or maybe 10-6
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I can see why you want to drop the m2m thing, death by a thousand cuts, I would probably hang myself after a day of reading the emails.........but if you offer 44-46-48-50-52 in regular and long sizes in everything (leathers, wool jackets, etc), that will probably fulfill the needs of about 95% of the people here who are interested and substantially reduce the hassle.
just spitballing here; you have more data and think about it 24-7, or maybe 10-6

I can see why you want to drop the m2m thing, death by a thousand cuts, I would probably hang myself after a day of reading the emails.........but if you offer 44-46-48-50-52 in regular and long sizes in everything (leathers, wool jackets, etc), that will probably fulfill the needs of about 95% of the people here who are interested and substantially reduce the hassle.
just spitballing here; you have more data and think about it 24-7, or maybe 10-6
Oh, you're completely right - and unfortunately that's how every other clothing brand works. I say it's unfortunate because the other 5% are mostly people who genuinely need a size that isn't offered, usually due to height (short/tall) and they deserve nice clothes like anybody else. There are a number of guys who are like 6'4+ who buy from us and it's really a great relationship, I wish more guys in the same boat knew about TOJ. I suppose many very tall guys have just given up on clothes altogether from the outset because of sizing issues. TOJ sizing, if it were to be partitioned by standard sizing, would still be a little unique - we have a ton of sizing data and have sized all kinds of people, and if we had to assign sizes, the look would be slim but size down the median, which is often different from how other brands grade their sizes. We just get a lot of people in between TOJ 46-50, but in reality that spread is more like a smallish Small to a larger Medium. There's like 1.5-2 size choices where other brands would have one.
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2/12/13 at 3:21am
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one 
fwiw, I'd love to be able to make more stuff at the lower price points - problem is, it's easier to increase more to the content relative to price, so the leather jackets are the better position. If people were willing to understand that it requires making preset stock sizes and using a factory instead of the one by one model - then there are things that can be made (not leathers, but other jackets and small fun things) and sold at the lower price points. They're obviously not going to be bad-fitting, but they won't fit all, naturally.

fwiw, I'd love to be able to make more stuff at the lower price points - problem is, it's easier to increase more to the content relative to price, so the leather jackets are the better position. If people were willing to understand that it requires making preset stock sizes and using a factory instead of the one by one model - then there are things that can be made (not leathers, but other jackets and small fun things) and sold at the lower price points. They're obviously not going to be bad-fitting, but they won't fit all, naturally.
I think your pricing is completely reasonable for a MTM leather jacket. Hell I've bought two of them so far and I know they are going to last me my entire life and be an item that I will pass down.
You take a look at these designer leathers and for one, the quality is garbage, and two they are over double your price.
TOJ offers an amazing product at a very competitive price, hence the penetration you've made over the past year or so.
Whoever is complaining or making remarks that you are too expensive clearly has not bought a TOJ piece yet.
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2/12/13 at 3:43am
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