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Originally Posted by Albertabeef View Post

Can someone fill me in on the difference between lamb and calf?

Lamb:


Calf:
post #26672 of 43663
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Originally Posted by Albertabeef View Post

Can someone fill me in on the difference between lamb and calf?
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Originally Posted by uNiCoRnPriNcEsSx View Post

lamb = lux
goat = softer than calf, textured
cow = armerz
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

it is, and that is lamb; to be really honest, I prefer lamb for everything. They're obviously not jackets for really riding a bike in, but lamb falls nicely on your right out of the box, you can wear it a little slimmer because it stretches and doesn't crease hard in your elbows or pits like the harder leathers do, and it looks really fucking cool when you have a Bomber in A-2 style but it's cut trimly, see what BoO is doing this season (and what I've done for 2 years now with the Bomber - I<3Bacon wears the very first prototype and wears it well, it may not even come across slimly enough in pics but it definitely is, because it was made for me
) The thick lamb we have (which is all of those colors except the red, which is mid-thickness) is something really nice, not run of the mill stuff. That's why I tend to use it on all sorts of things, like varsity jacket sleeves, coat trimmings, there will be more; it's 'ours' if anything were. Other makers make leathers in Korea here using the same garment leather sources that we do, like Geller, etc, but they don't step up the extra $1-2/square to the nicer lamb that we use, because a larger sized leather jacket with detailing can be 50 squares per jacket. They tend to stay with the thin Italian nappa hides that are more standard and run fairly cheaply, it's genuine leather as opposed to full on aniline dye leather like I prefer to use, which has a transparent, deep finish with several color layers and a full grain, as opposed to the painted-on opaque finish that covers blemished or split-down hides.
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

if you could see my MMM leather in person, this question is not even a question - the jacket looks cool because it's been worn to death for almost 12 years, but it's not high quality. The MMM calf is about one to one with the TOJ stuff on the topside finish though I might be edging the MMM out a bit, it's hard to tell since there isn't an unwrinkled spot on my MMM anywhere (our calf is near flawless in the hide and we pay a huge premium for that) but the MMM is very thin for calf, not even 3oz, more like 2oz (about 0.6-8mm, it's really quite thin), the lining is cheap cotton+viscose (that has gaping holes all over, and I have to stuff the strands of sleeve lining back into the sleeves), all the seams around the zippers and placket are just sewn and then excess edges are cut - when the seams break away from the stitching there's nothing to do about repairing it cleanly that way.

The jacket is missing the little flashing details of leather that 'hide' the zips like on my TOJ jackets, etc, and the folded over/sewn seams. The MRS zippers are nice on the MMM, but pound for pound the YKK Japans are about as good functionally - which is why MMM themselves moved to the same YKK zips later on. If you ever look at the Junya X Vanson leathers, you see they use the same exact front zip as we do. It's the same part in a bright finish.
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Originally Posted by charly 
lamb drapes more of the two
calf is sturdy through and through
lamb is softer, so don't be too rough
calf is stout and makes you feel tough
armor-like for that bar fight tip
brawl in lamb and it might rip
lamb may be soft but you'll be fine
just avoid sharp objects and it love you long time
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Can anyone speak on the wear effects of backback/messenger bag straps on lamb jackets?

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Originally Posted by silver2426 View Post

Can anyone speak on the wear effects of backback/messenger bag straps on lamb jackets?

I haven't had any issues with backpack straps, although I could see it wearing on the leather if done continuously. I admit I have started to avoid wearing my jacket with my backpack.
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Out of curiosity around how many calfs/sheeps/goats/etc are used to make each jacket?

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Any consumer data yet on how the new suit material MA-1s stack up to moths and rain?
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I'm pretty sure nobody has their MA-1 in any material yet, they just recently accepted orders for them.

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I wouldn't wear a super 150 in the rain.
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This thread is taking a turn toward Shitsville again. What about people who wear their suits to work when it rains? Use some common sense people.
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Unless you own a new TOJ MA-1 made of wool (100% wool? Treated wool? A blend?), please kindly shut the fuck up. B&S overflows with people who used common sense.
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Size chart isn't out yet for ma-1, no one has been able to test theirs besides drew. Drew said it's ok if you wipe the rain drops of and use an umbrella IIRC.

Super 150s isn't 24 oz denim, super 150s isn't paper.

edit: personally want a dope poncho to have in backpack in case of surprise storm for both bball and ma-1. (0-10)
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They aren't even out yet. JFC. Read the thread or go back to posting meta shit in WAYWT.
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Originally Posted by cyc wid it View Post

They aren't even out yet. JFC. Read the thread or go back to posting meta shit in WAYWT.


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relax bro

post #26685 of 43663
Whoah, thread police... I couldn't find it on a cursory search and don't have time to read the entire thread. This is what you get for posting an honest question about a forum affiliate product to a forum affiliate thread -- combative dorks driving away customers. facepalm.gif

FWIW, you're also misusing the term meta.

Good day, everyone.
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