The new official TOJ thread, 2011 - Page 1626

 

I was first considering a 50 until I asked Charly what size equaled a large and he 52.  

 

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 12:58 AM,<thenewjs@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

What size = large?

 

Charly replies:  

 

On Aug 20, 2012, at 11:52 PM, TOJ orders wrote:

 

Hey,

 

The TOJ1's run about a size small so a 52 equals about a large.

 

- Charly

 

So I told Charly:

 

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 1:23 AM,<thenewjs@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Damn, that was fast.

 

I am a 42R/L in a suit and 16.5 34/35 in dress shirts, would that 52 suffice?

 

I am looking at getting the Black on Black TOJ1 2011 with the solid black lining.

 

How early could I place my order?

 

He replied: 

 

Depends on how slim you want it to fit and where you carry most of your weight. If you have broad shoulders, you might wan to go with a 54.

At this point I had not even considered a 54. I figured he must think I bigger than I really am. Thats when I used the jacket measurements and gave him my measurements to show him my size. He still recommended a 54.

 

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:32 AM, <thenewjs@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Ok, I bought a Levi's Slim Denim Jacket just for this.

 

Here are the following measurements of the jacket (i like the fit)

 

Shoulders 19"

Pit to Pit     22"

Mid             22"

Waist          21"

Front          24.5"

Sleeve       27"

 

Sleeve Widths

bicep          8.5"

elbow         7"

wrist            5.5"

 

My Measurements are:

 

Shoulders 18"

Chest 42"

Waist  37"

Front   21"

Sleeve 27"

 

 

I am 6'3" and weight 210 lbs.

With this info can you advise me on what size I should go with. I would like it to fit slim. 

I was considering 50 but not sure. 

I just want my first TOJ to be a good experience. 

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Here are pictures of me measuring the jacket and me wearing the Jacket

 

So, his 54 recommendation was before the jacket.

 

Charly replies:

 

On Aug 22, 2012, at 9:30 AM, TOJ orders wrote:

 

Seems like a stock 54 would be your best bet.

 

I was still worried about the sizing. So emailed him saying:

 

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 12:44 PM,  <thenewjs@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

The measurements on the 54 scare me a lil bit. Scared it may be too big. Do they fit slim?

 

He replied

 

 

 

Saying I used the wrong jacket is a good copout but in this case Charly made his recommendation before the jacket was introduced. 

 

I can get a good look at a T-bone by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but I'd rather take a butcher's word for it.

I don't have a dog in this fight but you're 6'3" and 210 pounds, I have no doubt a 52 would have been too small. I'm 6'2 175 (same 42" chest though) and even I would go with a 54.  The fit looks good to me and I think after a little reflection you'll see that

surprised i missed this. so does that mean two versions of the MA-1?

pumped for wool.

 

Its too big. Im a large in most european cut stuff and if its american cut im a medium. The only thing im xl in are european cut polos. 

I think Charly just recommended the smallest size that would fit. Either way, you probably should not air out this laundry in the thread.

OK, disclaimer, I have no experience with the TOJ-1, but I do have some with their leather jackets. I am not too dissimilar from you in measurements.

Mine (body) are:
6' 4", ~200 lbs
Shoulders 19-19.5"
Chest 42.5"
Waist 33.5"
Front 25-26" (I like my jackets longer)
Sleeve 27"

My jacket was made to:
Shoulders: 19"
Chest: 24.5"
Midsection: 22"
Waist: 20.5"
Front: 25.7"
Sleeve 28"
Arm: 8.8"

My Dress shirt size is 16.5/37 and I wear anywhere from a 42L-46L in suits (typically depending on shoulders)

I have to back up Charly on his recommendation on a size 54 for many reasons. First, if leather jackets were not MTM, I would have certainly gone with a 54, maybe even a 56. The jackets are slim enough that it honestly looks good even when it is what many people here would say is "too big". It is the waist suppression that was key for me in my opinion. I originally sized up to account for gaining weight, and am even more glad I did so after receiving that jacket.

That said, I also have ski jacket in XL that is easily a "boxy" fit and it does not billow out as much as you show in your photos, and I am certain that said ski jacket is not even close to as slim fitting as your jacket. It is likely how the jacket fits you or your posture (as Drew noted). Even then, the second set of photos (leather side) looks completely fine. Ironically enough, I bet if the jacket was larger in the waist, it would look better in your first set of photos. I am not sure if it is (again) how you are standing or if that is just how it fits you, but it does seem to accent your "belly" quite heavily in the first photos. As an example, my brother stands in an odd way and sticks his pelvis out a bit further than normal and hence, suit jackets do not seem to tailor as well on him.

Also, you do not want to size down too much, people here obsess over the slimness of their fit, but I find it unnecessary. I would much rather size up than down. I can wear a jacket that is too large, but not one that is too small. Do I think you could have worn a 52? Yeah, probably, but I am not convinced that the 54 was not a better choice after some thought.

Hit the gym and stand up straight. If you are concerned, ask some female friends what they think of the fit. I bet they say it looks fine. The only thing I would say is actually wrong is perhaps the sleeve length. It could be shorter, but it isn't the worst.

i dont think the jacket looks that bad. theres only so much you can do when buying a stock size on the internet? if you went full MTM and thought it didnt come out as you said, that would be different i think. I, like many others, think the pose is what makes it look worse than it really is. also, im 6' 195, and i dont see how with 15 pounds and 3 inches on me you can be a medium in most american stuff, im a l/xl easily, so maybe you just thought this would fit something like a DR or something? really not sure what your expectations were

I carry most my weight below my waist. I cycle between 100-200 miles a week. So my butt and thighs are big. I am shaped funny. Because of my cycling I can drop weight and up top is where I loose it faster. 

 

Peps say hit the gym, I have to eat to be able to continue cycling. 

I wonder if this is a prediction of what a No-MTM future is going to look like.

Will be perfect for some body shapes and other dudes will just not be able to fit various models.

^ Full MTM won't look good on a lot of people's body shape.

You just popped in the Drew Keith
Get right for the Coppidge workout tape
And fellas if you follow these instructions exactly
You might be able to pull you a tcwalter thumb, a best of post
Man, at least get yourself laid
So first of all we gon' work on the stomach
Nobody wants to deal with B&S!

Work it out, double time

That TOJ1 looks good on the varsity side, kinda shitty on the flight jacket side. The sleeves could be slimmer and more room in the chest/midsection/waist could fix the potbelly / pear shape effect. Don't know why everyone is saying it's too long. It ends well above his front pockets and he's a tall guy with a long torso so 24.5" front length is well within the standard TOJ range. Agree that this is an example of how TOJ "house cut" is quite slim and stock sizing based on that cut would not make for attractive proportions for many people above a certain height/weight.