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post #23086 of 30804
9/29/12 at 1:21am
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Originally Posted by stevent View Post

About 500 million noob questions but here goes:
Thinking a Moto 2011 2 zip or CWU - 45, want something that dress up and down, so leaning towards moto 2011

Both good choices, moto sounds great.
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Material - what is the difference between them? Way too much to read here so if there's a quick guide / breakdown that would be appreciated. Ideally would want something that can get beat up and look even better. What is the consensus for the preferred leather if I were to only get one TOJ?

Calf - stiffer, heavier, tougher, probably not what you want.
Lamb - soft and light, very nice
Goat - lighter? than lamb, but tougher and has much more texture

If only one TOJ, general consensus is lamb.
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Colors - thinking whisky or brown? I have mostly brown shell so figure it'd match a bit better? Is there still the option for dark whisky?

Whiskey! Not sure on availability. Another great option is brown goat (super dark, almost black) if you choose goat.

In regards to the CWU, Drew has expressed a strong preference for them only in black, but I believe a few brown ones exist.
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Cuffs, can you customize this at all?

There have been some modifications allowed in the past on case by case basis. You would have to email them directly for a real answer.
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Also looks like I'm a 48 but may need slightly bigger armholes, is that a possible modification?
Would email TOJ but I figure I'd get more direct info here.

All leathers are fully MTM, adjust away. You should email.
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post #23087 of 30804
9/29/12 at 1:28am
^^^^^^^^^Thanks for the info
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post #23088 of 30804
9/29/12 at 3:42am
Also, I'm pretty sure the cwu is only available in lamb. Maybe goat now?
That should narrow down your options and help you out!
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post #23089 of 30804
9/29/12 at 9:13am
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Originally Posted by brad-t View Post

Honestly I didn't want to say anything but I don't think that jacket suits Snowman's proportions.

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Originally Posted by artishard116 View Post

^agree, body looked really wide/square

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Originally Posted by snowmanxl View Post

its not the bicep area or anything, its the actual arm hole that is really too small for me.
its a bit wide, right? dont know if i can help that, i cant size down anymore redface.gif

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Originally Posted by Lorcan7 View Post

I think a lot of the boxy-ness of Snowman's jacket is because its new calf and isn't draping, although I actually feel like the 4-zip mdr configuration maybe emphasizes it - while I love mine, I'm tending to wear it zipped up for this reason. 

I think snowman should get a 3-zip or artishard rider in black goat, would look great.


Call me crazy - help, drew? - but the lapels of the 4zip seem small than on the 2010, and the profile feels boxier. Maybe this is obvious and I'm just late to the 4zip game, but I think my 2010 draped better unzipped than my 4zip mdr does. Anyway, snowman, that could be why it looks so boxy - just because it is a little boxier than the other TOJ rider. I can see snow with an artishard rider or uncontrol rider or something equally minimal. But I guess he has the raf, so, hey.

Drew, are they that different at all? Or am I just making things up/viewing the past through rose-tinted glass?


In other news, wore DR all of yesterday, bball all of today, feelsgoodman
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post #23090 of 30804
9/29/12 at 9:29am
Hey guys,

A quick question regarding TOJ bombers. I have a 38" waist (at the widest point), and I'm looking at picking up a TOJ that measures 18" across the top of the ribbing (which is 36"). Obviously the ribbing is stretchy. Do you think that the fit will be alright on me, or should I be looking at a jacket that's larger?

Thanks for any thoughts!
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post #23091 of 30804
9/29/12 at 9:44am
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Originally Posted by lostintranslation View Post

Hey guys,
A quick question regarding TOJ bombers. I have a 38" waist (at the widest point), and I'm looking at picking up a TOJ that measures 18" across the top of the ribbing (which is 36"). Obviously the ribbing is stretchy. Do you think that the fit will be alright on me, or should I be looking at a jacket that's larger?
Thanks for any thoughts!

I'd hold out for a bigger size. That 18" measurement means that you have 36" of leather to go over your jeans/belt/wallet at the widest part of your hips.
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post #23092 of 30804
9/29/12 at 10:28am
I don't even mind the wide body of the 4zip. I quite like it satisfied.gif
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post #23093 of 30804
9/29/12 at 10:28am
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Originally Posted by stevent View Post

About 500 million noob questions but here goes:
Thinking a Moto 2011 2 zip or CWU - 45, want something that dress up and down, so leaning towards moto 2011
Material - what is the difference between them? Way too much to read here so if there's a quick guide / breakdown that would be appreciated. Ideally would want something that can get beat up and look even better. What is the consensus for the preferred leather if I were to only get one TOJ?
Colors - thinking whisky or brown? I have mostly brown shell so figure it'd match a bit better? Is there still the option for dark whisky?
Cuffs, can you customize this at all?
Also looks like I'm a 48 but may need slightly bigger armholes, is that a possible modification?
Would email TOJ but I figure I'd get more direct info here.

I don't mean to bash on the moto 2011, but its nowhere near as good as the bombers/DRs. You should probably get a dark brown bomber or black cwu-45 if you want a super versatile jacket. I don't really know how they are though, because I've only owned the DR/moto.

Materials:

-Lamb is the standard, softest, most ready to wear out of the box
-Goat has more texture, stiffer than lamb, the brown is really dark, black is...black
-Calf is for the hardasses that are planning to really beat up their jacket for at least a few months before its really comfortable/easy to wear

Colors:

IDK i only buy black leather jackets...and red

I don't think you can customize your cuffs at all, except removing the zips on the UMDR, but nothing for the bomber/cwu45.

Can't really say much about the armholes, they've always fit me fine. If anything they've been a bit large for me.

I really have to read the thread before I comment.
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post #23094 of 30804
9/29/12 at 11:21am
guys did you size small on the shoulders for motos? I didn't send shoulder measurements to charly but he said 17" on the shoulder which seems somewhat ... small. I woulda thought 17.5" or so might be better, but thats just comparing to my other jackets (a-2, or other outerwear). Is it meant to be more snug for the moto?
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post #23095 of 30804
9/29/12 at 11:22am
I sized the shoulders of my jacket based on...
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my shoulders.
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post #23096 of 30804
9/29/12 at 12:04pm

I gave charly my shoulder size and he subtracted half an inch for my bombers. (maybe to account for stretch?)

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post #23097 of 30804
9/29/12 at 12:07pm
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I gave charly my shoulder size and he subtracted half an inch for my bombers. (maybe to account for stretch?)

Or perhaps because he thought you measured wrong. He's tricky patch[1].gif
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post #23098 of 30804
9/29/12 at 2:50pm
Yeah, he did the same for me. And it turned out fine.
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post #23099 of 30804
9/29/12 at 3:20pm
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Originally Posted by johanm View Post

I'd hold out for a bigger size. That 18" measurement means that you have 36" of leather to go over your jeans/belt/wallet at the widest part of your hips.
Sure, but the ribbing should stretch, right? I guess I'm asking whether or not those who own bombers think that 18" at the ribbing will be enough to accomodate my waist if it measure 38".

Thanks smile.gif
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post #23100 of 30804
9/29/12 at 3:27pm

Back when I bought my CWU, the measurements that I sent to Charly were 36.5" midsection and 38" waist. Here's what my CWU was and it fit great. I'm 6'5" and 205 lbs. Unfortunately, there isn't a measurement for the ribbing, but maybe this will help.

 

 

shoulders 19.2
chest (pit-to-pit) 23.6
midsection 22.0
waist 21.0
body length, front 24.2
body length, back 26.6
sleeve length, from shoulder 28.5
sleeve width @ pit 8.1
sleeve width @ elbow 7.0
sleeve width @ cuff 6.3

 

Note that these put the jacket somewhere in the 52-54 size range based on that chart from the TOJ website.

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