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post #21871 of 44235
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Originally Posted by johanm View Post

You can find discount Neapolitan shirts with hand sewing for less than that. Shop The Finest, for example, has Borrelli, Finamore, Fray, etc at 100-200. Only amateurs buy those shirts at retail anyway. You can get bespoke shirts made by reputable tailors with fabric from the same Italian/Swiss mills and with the same level of construction for the same price or cheaper.
(Not that this means anything for TOJ pricing)

Agree somewhat on the discount shirts, but a) dress shirts are a different game and the ones you find cheaply are the ugly ones in seasonal cloth, b) getting the combo of your size/attractive cloth is difficult.

Do not agree that one can get bespoke for that price if you want the kind of construction I am seeking
post #21872 of 44235
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

Agree somewhat on the discount shirts, but a) dress shirts are a different game and the ones you find cheaply are the ugly ones in seasonal cloth, b) getting the combo of your size/attractive cloth is difficult.
Do not agree that one can get bespoke for that price if you want the kind of construction I am seeking

Agreed that you can't always find staple cloth at discount, and I'm not a customer of those shirts, but my sense is that the selection at discount is bigger than you think. The demand for RTW dress shirts is not high among educated customers, since precise fit is crucial (unlike OCBDs). I would wager that they mostly get sold to rich guys who don't know what they're doing, like the guys who buy Brioni suits.

You can get top quality Italian bespoke with hand sewing (such as Merolla, Bugelli, Siviglia,Napoli Su Misura etc) for the price range of 400-600 with any fabric (including very expensive narrow shuttle loom stuff from Riva and Bonfanti). Matuozzo isn't much more. Charvet doesn't take a hand sewing approach but is regarded as equal to quality to the above and most of their exclusive fabrics fall into that price range. Really the only maker who is materially above that price, world wide, is Alex Kabbaz (who also doesn't do hand sewing, and whose price includes several fittings and trial shirts). There have been extensive discussions on this in MC involving very experienced posters like mafoofan and Whnay.
post #21873 of 44235
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

yep, think of what might happen if Anna Matuozzo and Thom Browne had a baby and it came out looking like a shirt....

This is exactly what I was hoping for...F'ing brilliant. A great bespoke shirt from any reputable source with significant handwork pushes $400 easy (particularly in the NYC). I am confident Drew is gonna kill it. One of each please. icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
post #21874 of 44235
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Originally Posted by VLSI View Post

Do you dry them? Pulling them out of the dryer immediately after finishing to hang up will solve most wrinkles. I don't dry my nicer shirts but uniqlo/jcrew etc. I do.

I get the best results by pulling my shirts out of the washer and then letting them tumble in the dryer on "delicate" for 5-10 minutes and then throwing them on hangers to dry the rest of the way.

This makes OCBDs and some other shirts god enough to wear to work. All shirts come out ready to wear casually.

For dress shirts, I still have to hit them with an iron if I want them to be work-ready (and often the plackets get bent funny in the wash)...If I have time, I will touch up the OCBDs but the ones of a heavier fabric, like I might think the TOJ ones would be, barely look different after an ironing.
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I believe quality will be there and $400 shirts doesn't sound as crazy as ann d $5000 leather jackets to me. how much toj luxury shirts will cost about? $200 or even more?

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I agree with toasty that uniqlo ocbc fabric is more wrinkle-prone than most, but the original toj shirting fabric is on the complete opposite end of the spectrum, extremely wrinkly resistant, just hang it while damp and it's perfect.  I'm sure the new fabric will be similar.

post #21877 of 44235
i dread the day in my life when i have to worry about my oxfords being wrinkled.
post #21878 of 44235
Tracking numbers going out tomorrow?
post #21879 of 44235
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Originally Posted by mike868y View Post

i dread the day in my life when i have to worry about my oxfords being wrinkled.

 

tbh shirts looks better when they aren't wrinkled. speaking of my oxfords, I am often too lazy 

post #21880 of 44235
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maybe, Dan will be coming off the 10-hour flight and I might have to ship alone and then have some plan in the evening. If Dan can't send them out tomorrow , then they go out on the weekend, doesn't affect arrival date.
post #21881 of 44235
Cool, should really have phrased it as 'Is anything going out this week.' Thanks for the response...crossing my fingers icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
post #21882 of 44235
Are you flying back to Korea every week or two just to ship out the jackets? Wow, that's dedication.
post #21883 of 44235
Any tips on conditioning/cleaning the suede T1?
post #21884 of 44235
Get a suede brush for one...

Edit: While for shoes, you could probably do worse than following these tips: http://www.wikihow.com/Clean-Suede-Shoes
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^Thanks.

But should I spray suede protectant/waterproofer on it? I've dealt with calf suede, but never lamb.
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