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Originally Posted by Arethusa View Post

Ok, now I'm actually feeling bad for starting this because I was 100% Not Serious. While I'm confident a toj 5zip would be better than margiela, unc is right, the toj 4zip is better. (And, yeah, toj moto from three years ago borrowed heavily from the 5zip.)
Anyway, if you guys want to obsess over something that's probably just as dumb, obsess over whether I should've gotten my 4zip in calf instead of lamb, because I can't stop worrying about that.

Black? I'd say lamb is the way to go.
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I just keep feeling like a moto should be tougher than lamb. I also ordered a blacked out MDR in lamb and a 2010DR in black calf.
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lamb always looks so much more comfortable when people post a pic, imo.

then again, most pics that get posted are when the jackets are brand new, i forget what calf looks like after being broken in.

I plan to eventually get a black moto and i will definitely be getting lamb. I should have enough money saved by the time TOJ starts producing again, haha.
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My 2 cents on lamb v. calf.

 

The lamb is substantial, thick and incredibly soft.  Out of the box, it's soft--then give it a week while it regains some air, some moisture, some natural oils from your body (hands), and it becomes even softer.  Lamb also gives easier.  I size mine to be a smidge small, and out of the box, it's on the tight side.  However, after 1 full wear it breaks in and after several wears it gives in all the right places.  

 

The calf is completely different beast.  Out of the box, it's stiff, like a shell or like armor.  Give it a week, and it's about the same.  It doesn't give very much and if it's small on you the seams would likely bust before it stretches.  I imagine it to be a slow break in process.  To speed it up, I applied some leather oil to it and it has become noticeably softer and more pliable and forgiving.  It's a work in progress, so I'll know more in a few months.  It is noticeably heavier than lamb.  It's not hard to imagine it being 2x as heavy.  If you size the arms too slim, you'll probably bruise a little breaking in the elbows.  After wearing the calf jacket for a while and trying on the lamb, the lamb jacket feels like a light windbreaker of some sort--hard to imagine at first, considering the lamb has substantial weight.  

 

Which one do I prefer?  It's hard to say.  At this moment in time, my lamb jacket is perfect in my eyes.  I feel like I don't even want to wear it too much for maybe it will *poof* disappear or change.  The calf feels like breaking in a pair of raw jeans.  Uncomfortable and stiff to begin with, but then down the years, it becomes your favorite piece.  You want to wear it more and more and the more it wears, the better it gets.  So, which one is better?  Hard to say, two sides of the same coin.  

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Originally Posted by Dbear View Post

My 2 cents on lamb v. calf.


The calf is completely different beast.  Out of the box, it's stiff, like a shell or like armor.  Give it a week, and it's about the same.  It doesn't give very much and if it's small on you the seams would likely bust before it stretches.  I imagine it to be a slow break in process.  To speed it up, I applied some leather oil to it and it has become noticeably softer and more pliable and forgiving.  It's a work in progress, so I'll know more in a few months.  It is noticeably heavier than lamb.  It's not hard to imagine it being 2x as heavy.  If you size the arms too slim, you'll probably bruise a little breaking in the elbows.  After wearing the calf jacket for a while and trying on the lamb, the lamb jacket feels like a light windbreaker of some sort--hard to imagine at first, considering the lamb has substantial weight.  

I have a toj calf bomber, and don't (yet- waiting for a lamb mdr) have any toj lamb jackets, though I have a non-toj lamb moto. The calf did break in after a few months of wear with no oil/etc added. As long as you wear it often (3-4 days a week) it won't take forever break in. It doesn't drape the way lamb does even when broken in, though when new its not that rough - no elbow bruises breaking in the jacket no matter how slim the sleeves (at least I didn't, and I sized down a bit on mine). Also, something to keep in mind, even when calf has been broken in it has much less 'give' than lamb does. The calf may becomes softer and it does stretch out a bit, but it will never be stretchy like lamb... it's a less forgiving / more restricting material.
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Drew, I sent some early sketches for the whole TOJ labs deal. Check them out and lemme know what you think.

Thanks!
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Originally Posted by rirakuma View Post

Man if I could turn back time I would get a normal collar CWU instead of a ribbed one. They both look great but the normal collar makes it a timeless piece.
I was really torn between the two options while ordering, because there aren't a lot of pictures of the ribbed collar CWU-45. Before I ordered, I saw Drew's post about the ribbed collar option looking better on dudes with shorter necks, and I decided to take his advice. I feel pretty confident about my decision, because nineohtoo's jacket looked great, and Drew said at the time that he would want to pick up a CWU-45 with a ribbed collar for himself someday. I've already got an A2 in my closet anyways, so if I ever want that collared leather look, I can just reach for that. satisfied.gif
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I have two calf jackets, one brand new and one from about 9 months ago. It's hard to believe they're the same material - I had forgotten how stiff calf is when you first get it. It becomes much more pliable quickly, almost as much as lamb... I'd say that the texture is the main difference at this point
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I don't get how dan hasn't gone crazy from having to fill out all those customs forms / ship them

I only had to do one and the process took forever
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My calf DR from late 2009 still looks close from new (with a few dents and stuff) and is still rather stiff. On the other hand, the 2010 lamb moto I own shows a lot more wear on the leather especially at the wrist and around the stitches. Different uses though. I have to stop using the DR around march because otherwise I just die of warmth.
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I miss my bomber, we have been apart since June
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Coming up to 11 weeks on my Basball and 7 weeks on my TOJ1...getting excited again icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif
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Bball jacket arrived...it's really nice, and slimmer than I'd expected. I had kinda expected it to be a little loose but it fits perfect and if it was any slimmer it'd probably be too small. Also, despite being thinner than last years version it's still pretty substantial.
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anyone selling a toj peacoat ?
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I'd buy a navy or black small Peacoat if anyone's selling.

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