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^ that's just split buckskin, no processing and also not really choice hide as far as I know - it's mainly sold for Indian re-enactment stuff amongst American dudes.
The French stuff I'm talking about is pretty much specifically made for luxury gloves, maybe bags, I am not sure. It's a smooth, fully finished struck-through black leather with a pretty desirable finish and sheen. It is pretty unique, almost flawless through the hide as far as the one I saw too. It was definitely of a high-tier quality and admittedly probably worth the $150 or so.
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They must be lying.
These skins cost about $200. I've seen them in a leather merchant. They were really nice but ridiculously expensive compared to everything else I saw.
They are probably using corrected grain goat or something.

Yeah the one I linked to definitely looks like a thin goatskin, as you can see in the grain, which is fairly common for Pakistan and other inner Asian countries as far as I know. Meat industry byproduct there? I mean, you know for sure that they're giving those poor bastards like $2 a day to do a good job patterning and sewing leather jackets, and the overall products are good for the niche they serve, but something is always amiss too. Anyway, as is common with leather products and especially jackets - nobody knows what the fuck they actually have, and are just adding to the tale when they need to. Think of how many companies label their leather jackets with a simple 'outer: 100% leather" tag and skip the explanations.
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Anyway, as is common with leather products and especially jackets - nobody knows what the fuck they actually have, and are just adding to the tale when they need to. Think of how many companies label their leather jackets with a simple 'outer: 100% leather" tag and skip the explanations.

But as a TOJ customer, I can instead tell people that I am wearing 6 adorable lambs thumbs-up.gif
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I bet if you brought the wallets back at $125-150 you could sell a decent amount of them.

well, two things; I also don't really like the guy who makes the wallets, he's about my least favorite person in TOJ-ville. redface.gif Also, I feel that is a little expensive. I dunno. There's a lot of people out there making wallets and stuff. I can't say all of them are good, but yeah anyway, forget the wallets, I'd rather focus time and energy on something that makes its own niche and does something really well, untouchable status. A lot of people can throw a pair of Incotexs or APCs or a BoO shirt at a factory and say 'hey, copy these for my house label' - but I want to be above that level, I want to make unique stuff that is maybe a bit more advanced and involves more serious thought and production skills.
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But as a TOJ customer, I can instead tell people that I am wearing 6 adorable lambs thumbs-up.gif

as long as everybody goes down with me, when the time comes to be judged. redface.gif
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well, two things; I also don't really like the guy who makes the wallets, he's about my least favorite person in TOJ-ville. redface.gif Also, I feel that is a little expensive. I dunno. There's a lot of people out there making wallets and stuff. I can't say all of them are good, but yeah anyway, forget the wallets, I'd rather focus time and energy on something that makes its own niche and does something really well, untouchable status. A lot of people can throw a pair of Incotexs or APCs or a BoO shirt at a factory and say 'hey, copy these for my house label' - but I want to be above that level, I want to make unique stuff that is maybe a bit more advanced and involves more serious thought and production skills.

It seems like there's a lot of wallets out there at the moment that are based on CDG wallets, so it makes sense to pass on wallets.

Nice high quality leather gloves would be nice.


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as long as everybody goes down with me, when the time comes to be judged. redface.gif

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Drew - do you know of any designers that use the French leather for gloves? Living in the UK I wear gloves daily for like 4 months a year and they always end up looking like shit satisfied.gif Looking to get a nicer pair to go with my navy TOJ peacoat.

Also, lots of ideas have been mentioned here in the past few days – but I’m sure you have ideas you’re already considering or looking in to. Any chance of hearing some of your ideas for the new collection?
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... it makes sense to pass on wallets...
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seriously dude? 

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Drew - do you know of any designers that use the French leather for gloves? Living in the UK I wear gloves daily for like 4 months a year and they always end up looking like shit satisfied.gif Looking to get a nicer pair to go with my navy TOJ peacoat.
Also, lots of ideas have been mentioned here in the past few days – but I’m sure you have ideas you’re already considering or looking in to. Any chance of hearing some of your ideas for the new collection?

anyone's ideas here hit a note?

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Dog leashes, collars & harnesses shog[1].gif

don't make these but do make a 20 minute in-depth video detailing how to measure your dog for mtm
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On the other hand, I'm not telling people to give up their rights as consumers, to not question the value of items. There's obviously a divide there and will be forever, but it can also result in progress as well, so that is a good thing.
The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.

(I want a toj dialectical materialist theory of history.)
Edited by Arethusa - 7/9/12 at 6:57am
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I would like to see some kind of ToJ barnstormer, maybe shearling.
post #21224 of 40780
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Well, I was gonna talk about something else, I think that conversation/essay would be work well in this thread - it's gonna get good, maybe:
http://www.styleforum.net/t/306931/will-showrooming-kill-businesses

As for ideas that have tickled my fancy thus far - well, we've talked about pretty much everything before, and the ones that were specific enough to describe the clothes - a lot of them were really impractical and that just doesn't jump out at me at this time. I am trying to go the way of more practical clothes that you can live with, without sacrificing the look I am trying to build.happy.gif. I don't think I am gonna wake up tomorrow and become a producer of technical clothes, nor does Undercover really provide much inspiration for me personally. I think it's a brand both overrated and highly misunderstood, but that's a conversation for another day. I have a personal wishlist of things I want to make for TOJ but I don't want to talk about the skunkworks because I've done it before and not finished half of what I wanted to yet, and that makes me a little disappointed. I'm discovering that sometimes the push isn't helpful at all, rather some things must happen when all the moons align. Have had some shoes on my mind for ages now but still looking for a way to make them the way I want to, they need to perfect or it's a wasted effort.
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Wool daypack, man.
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