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CYC got no snaps

Artishard got visible snaps

I got hidden snaps

Hahaha...so the 3 jackets are all slightly different.
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Artishard's is being fixed for what it's worth. So really only two.
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Originally Posted by Ketawa View Post

Interesting, that looks almost black to me.

Does anyone know if the dark brown calf and horse is this dark? I'm thinking about picking up a 4-zip Moto and trying to decide on the color.
It's one of those colors that seems to take on the tone of stuff you're wearing it with. With greys/blues it looks black, and with warm colors it looks brown.

Now to get something before the 1st shog[1].gif
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Originally Posted by otc View Post

Hmm that CWU-45 is growing on me--anyone know which color and leather this is?
http://toj-gallery.com/main.php?g2_itemId=10208
Not sure I am really keen on the waistband and cuffs though, I like the idea of everything on the outside being leather except for the metal hardware.

That's brown lamb.
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Originally Posted by LTTP View Post

Forum doesn't seem to like my iPad so here is the cwu with dark brown goat in link form. Dat texture.
http://i.imgur.com/DqaoN.jpg
It's a stock 48 fwiw.
Wow, does look like black, and dat texture
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Originally Posted by glundr View Post

drew what is one jacket/leather combo you think peeps have really been sleeping on? And conversely what kind of stuff do you see lots of people want to order that isn't the best choice aesthetically? just curious, i want to order before the cutoff

yes, as DBear posted.
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Originally Posted by LTTP View Post

Forum doesn't seem to like my iPad so here is the cwu with dark brown goat in link form. Dat texture.
http://i.imgur.com/DqaoN.jpg
It's a stock 48 fwiw.

Awesome thanks for posting this pic. It really does look almost black, I thought the brown will look more like this 350
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Yeah, the dark brown is almost black. I don't recommend it for anything other than the 4-zip MDR with lighter brown/silver contrast zippers, 2010 DR or Moto with silver zips, or an A2. CWU isn't a good choice to go in anything but black lamb because there are two non-leather parts to that jacket that must be matched to the leather.
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if im torn between a toj1 or a proper leather jacket, i will get cwu with ribbed collar.
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Originally Posted by otc View Post

Hmm that CWU-45 is growing on me--anyone know which color and leather this is?
http://toj-gallery.com/main.php?g2_itemId=10208
Not sure I am really keen on the waistband and cuffs though, I like the idea of everything on the outside being leather except for the metal hardware.

Nothing wrong with that idea, that's why we make several styles. It's not a matter of one can wear one and not the other though, they look pretty good either way. I like rider's style jackets but I think the Bombers suit me just as well.

If you want a jacket you can wear with biz-casual and stuff, seriously look at a Moto. I don't know where these guys have come up with the idea that you can't wear a Moto with a collared shirt, but that's not true. It works just fine. A DR is not something you would really wear to an office, it's more like a going out to drink jacket. The DR's are runaway hits, and I like making them, but they're not all-purpose, whereas the Moto actually does work if cross-platforming. You could biz-cas with a tee under, and bring a pair of jeans in your bag, put away the button down and khakis at the end of the day, and Clark Kent in time for the bars with the Moto. The earth tones are nice but we're probably all out of the whiskey calf. You could look at dark brown goat, as it has the potential to age nicely, has a tough appearance, but is still fairly light and refined enough to wear with finer clothes.
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Originally Posted by pronxs View Post

if im torn between a toj1 or a proper leather jacket, i will get cwu with ribbed collar.

Well, if you can step up to the leather, theres no question - anybody who has both, or a varsity jacket of ours in general can attest to that. Not that the varsity jackets aren't nice, they are what they are, they just can't beat the niceness of a full leather jacket. Different worlds and you'll get different reactions. The CWU in black lamb is unbelievably nice, nobody really listens to me here, but it must be seen to believed, and ordered as-is without trying to change it.
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

Yeah, the dark brown is almost black. I don't recommend it for anything other than the 4-zip MDR with lighter brown/silver contrast zippers, 2010 DR or Moto with silver zips, or an A2. CWU isn't a good choice to go in anything but black lamb because there are two non-leather parts to that jacket that must be matched to the leather.

I know you don't care for it much, but I feel it works nicely, since it's basically tipped in black, and the waxy nature of the goat doesn't scream the difference in tone. Any lighter, or a different skin and it would be a bit of a stretch, though... We'll see how it looks in 2-3 years heh. :)

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It works, I just think the black lamb expressed the package the best. I am the creator too, so I get to stomp my feet and whine about my works too. redface.gif
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Did not address and the back and forth between brad and gdl about Two Shoes' jacket (maybe that alone should tell me I shouldn't be...) but it was very simple, easily explainable from my point of view -
Two Shoes missized his sleeve length by measuring a Rick jacket, easy enough mistake. I think had he considered the measurements more that wouldn't have happened, and he acknowledges this too. The jacket isn't unwearable and anybody not familiar with the thread won't even notice, tbh. People gotta take a step back from thinking about invisible snaps and shit and just take a look at clothing and how it looks on somebody. The majority of human beings on earth are wearing heinous clothes that will never come close to being as nice as a TOJ, so whateva.

gdl's point was true, if the sleeves were shorter the cuff wouldn't open like that.
Brad's point was true, I prefer putting zippers on the pockets and cuffs like I have been for years.
gdl's idea of making the VTG jacket in regular softer leather to make a more minimal jacket -that was supposed to be for gdl only, at the time. I didn't want to do that for most people, as above, and also because I granted gdl the leeway to do that to his order because he falls into the category of people who I would allow to order customizations - he has a handful of TOJs now and he also has a closet of bespoke menswear, so I feel he understands what it means to order a piece of customized clothing. brad only has one custom jacket from us, and I allowed that to happen because few things match his style. I don't want to make anything like that anymore - if I made the brand the 'Uncontrol' aesthetic I'd probably end up losing my ass in a month. They're just two jackets, nothing to really place on the brand or what we make, because nobody else should be getting them.

FWIW, I think everybody, including gdl and brad, are fine with the stock models we make, and are best served by them as-is. No need to go back to the customizations saga but what is and what isn't with zippers, snaps, is not an equalized see saw - and it can be demonstrated that taking something away that is there is not the minor undertaking that people might think it is.
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Regarding the last month of orders, up ahead;

this is not to threaten or try to persuade people any differently, but I wanted to mention that orders from the last batches will go faster (and as always, look better imo) if made close to the staples, rather than going all out and ordering the most obscure color for the least popular jackets just to test the kitchen. We are able to move similar jackets in batches faster because the material procurement and thought train when in the heat of the action goes smoother, naturally. Obviously, not every material is exactly the same, they are reasonably close within their groupings, but there are immeasurable facets that just can't be explained here, you either understand this idea already or don't - but picking colors is not like picking crayons out of a box. These are previously live animals that require different methods for achieving different colors, even if for the same level of sheen and softness.
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aeglus' red lamb DR is different than any of the other red calf DRs because it's red nappa, and we never offered the nappa to the public. aeglus was local and requested a red lamb jacket, that's all.
artishard previously had a navy lamb BCDR, same scenario except he wasn't local, we just fulfilled his order for navy lamb. We don't offer navy lamb normally.

We use transparently dyed or tanned lambskins, and calfskins (goatskins and horse in limited quantity) almost exclusively. The farther away from black and brown you go, the farther away from 'good leather' you get, usually. That is just the nature of the supply chain for all people dealing in leather garments, people prefer black leather jackets.

As always, the black lamb is the best material we offer, all-around, for people just joining us here. It always has been, and never fails to disappoint. If deciding on a color and style for your leather jacket order is really that up in the air, go directly to black lamb. If you have black lamb already, then try a makeup from the quote DBear posted a page back.

It's your choice when you order, but naturally, not all color/material selections go with every design. Choosing the ones from the list I made in that quote will result in a good jacket each time.
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