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post #18826 of 45034
I study economics, which means I do not know the first thing about business or marketing ha. Perhaps the first few people to have custom details opened Pandora's box. Other guys hear about it, and now they want their custom details, too. To me, it looks like customization for customization's sake, almost to the point where it is a fetish. Some guy orders a TOJ with details/colors/materials not seen before, and all of a sudden it becomes some legend with a name.
post #18827 of 45034
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Originally Posted by afixedpoint View Post

Are most people not happy with just a fixed menu and custom measurements? When I made my first order, it never crossed my mind to ask for possible changes to the design. If everybody had the same A2 off the menu, I am perfectly happy being the n+1 st owner of the same A2. Is fit not way more important than having a jacket that has some minor details that set it apart from others?

I'm not particularly apt at clothing design choices, so I find it best to choose from what I'm given. That said I'm quite happy that I seem to fit perfectly well in a stock size.
post #18828 of 45034
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Originally Posted by afixedpoint View Post

I study economics, which means I do not know the first thing about business or marketing ha. Perhaps the first few people to have custom details opened Pandora's box. Other guys hear about it, and now they want their custom details, too. To me, it looks like customization for customization's sake, almost to the point where it is a fetish. Some guy orders a TOJ with details/colors/materials not seen before, and all of a sudden it becomes some legend with a name.

yes, that's exactly it - and at this point, 3 years down the road, the things like snaps - I feel like whether people realize it or not, after having participated in the TOJ thread (which in itself is part of the purchase, it's a daily activity and is no purchase necessary) it's a detached thing with no passion in this later phase, it's like being 80 years old, going to Denny's for the senior menu, and ordering something like you've ordered for years with some sort of exception to the menu or a holding of ketchup or adding something random, 'just because' - it's thoughtless and not well thought out, but people do it anyway.
post #18829 of 45034
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Anyway, back to what the future looks like - as I've said, the business is basically moving facilities, the virtual restaurant of clothing is moving premises to a different country in fact - so naturally, the pick of ingredients (materials) will be different and provide for different things. What those will be, not entirely sure, but I do have an idea of the strengths which I want to play off in Japan.
Likewise, as I said, I want to continue hitting hard with the made in Korea leathers, because they're at the level I want them. If was more American'y cute and quirky, I'd make tags that convey some sort of message like 'made in Korea with skill, passion and pride' rather than just 'made in Korea' (these don't actually go into the jackets, lol, but just saying) but I think most already gathered that - and I prefer to let the product speak for itself as well. Korea is a weird place for many reasons but I think I've done a good part at shedding some sort of corny image of 'made in Korea' of the past over the past 3 years - and bringing that up to date with reality. I don't think many in Korea can step out and make luxurious clothing of this level, but we've managed to do it by controlling almost every facet along the way.
In Japan, they are at a high level with a lot of things, so it will be less difficult to put out what I want to make here in Japan. They have mastered certain disciplines like denim, flight jackets, etc, and it's a matter of simply consulting the masters and providing my design specifications, should be easy and turn out a great product in the future as well. Just not MTM, lol. - So if one desires to engage in that and get the current designs made to order, now is the time to order those. They will be gone once the sun rises again.
post #18830 of 45034
nooooo but what about short people frown.gif
post #18831 of 45034
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Originally Posted by nahneun View Post

nooooo but what about short people frown.gif

well, exactly - MTM was there for you dudes, but it didn't get exercised the way it should've... I will make small sizes still though, and the FSR's will fit 95% of people. It's not exactly the hardest feat to get people into clothing.
post #18832 of 45034
are you planning on staying strictly online in the future? i ask for the implications of being able to try things on...i know for myself personally i tend to range in sizes depending what it is, and some cuts just wont fit, all from the same brand alot of the time.
post #18833 of 45034
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Originally Posted by afixedpoint View Post

Are most people not happy with just a fixed menu and custom measurements?

I ordered the Artishard rider because I just viewed it as another available menu option. The MDR is awesome, but I liked the Artishard version marginally better. From a purely consumer standpoint, the additional strain it placed on Drew's operation didn't cross my mind. I wasn't trying to be difficult/inconsiderate, it just seemed like any other option from my perspective.

With that said, definitely glad to finally have confirmation that Drew will make a return to the clothing game after the break icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif

Unrelated: Now that the bball size chart is released, are we supposed to email Charly to finalize our size?
One more thing, Drew how long do we have left on the current incarnation of TOJ? Would like to place an A2 order, but was waiting on the rider to see how my measurements came out.
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Originally Posted by VLSI View Post

I ordered the Artishard rider because I just viewed it as another available menu option. The MDR is awesome, but I liked the Artishard version marginally better. From a purely consumer standpoint, the additional strain it placed on Drew's operation didn't cross my mind. I wasn't trying to be difficult/inconsiderate, it just seemed like any other option from my perspective.

As you shouldn't have, it's not a strain to add a new model to the menu at all - I was addressing some more general ideas that surround the operation as a whole. Carry on.
post #18835 of 45034
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Originally Posted by VLSI View Post

Unrelated: Now that the bball size chart is released, are we supposed to email Charly to finalize our size?
One more thing, Drew how long do we have left on the current incarnation of TOJ? Would like to place an A2 order, but was waiting on the rider to see how my measurements came out.

yes, do talk with Charly now and assign a size to your Bball orders, and as for the cutoff and switchover process, I am still not sure yet. I am wanting to bring down the lead on existing orders and clear the line before taking on last call orders, so it may be a little while longer before I know. It's not imperative that we make the cutoff by a certain deadline, I am just trying to clean house before we go on our real life vacations, because when we come back it will be to a new house.
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Originally Posted by linds_15 View Post

are you planning on staying strictly online in the future? i ask for the implications of being able to try things on...i know for myself personally i tend to range in sizes depending what it is, and some cuts just wont fit, all from the same brand alot of the time.

I don't know the answer to this tbh, I'd like to see things go out to stores, but frankly I'm just not heated up on the idea of doing that either. a) the price of items would have to increase to do that, b) there are stories of stores not paying for the goods or dicking around vendors and that would spell my end slowly (or quickly) and so that is to be avoided, c) I don't need other hands in the honey pot to move my honey - given the choice I'd much rather focus my energies solely to creating high quality things, rather than be fucked with by unrelated people. The product is, and will be good - so I want that to be the selling point. How you get it needs to be less important, as long as you can get it. In the current scheme of things, it's not my goal to take over the world with this stuff, I just want people who know what they're getting into to be able to get into it and then my job simply being to deliver the goods and impress, it's pretty simple. Like a restaurant or a bar.
post #18837 of 45034
Will scraping the MTM option have any effect on pricing your garments?
post #18838 of 45034
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

I don't know the answer to this tbh, I'd like to see things go out to stores, but frankly I'm just not heated up on the idea of doing that either. a) the price of items would have to increase to do that, b) there are stories of stores not paying for the goods or dicking around vendors and that would spell my end slowly (or quickly) and so that is to be avoided, c) I don't need other hands in the honey pot to move my honey - given the choice I'd much rather focus my energies solely to creating high quality things, rather than be fucked with by unrelated people. The product is, and will be good - so I want that to be the selling point. How you get it needs to be less important, as long as you can get it. In the current scheme of things, it's not my goal to take over the world with this stuff, I just want people who know what they're getting into to be able to get into it and then my job simply being to deliver the goods and impress, it's pretty simple. Like a restaurant or a bar.


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post #18839 of 45034
I'm kind of sorry to hear that MTM is going away, but it sounds like it's a necessary step at this point. I'm hoping there will still be some length variations (say, a short, medium, and long version of some of the stock sizes), but we'll see how it all shakes out.

Probably a stupid (and definitely selfish) question - does it make sense to get a T1 while the MTM option is still around? For some reason, custom measurements don't strike me as being quite as significant for the T1/T3 as for the moto and DR models. Same with the bombers, now that I think about it.
post #18840 of 45034
This thread is so much more interesting when Drew is posting up a storm nod[1].gif
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