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Originally Posted by willy cheesesteak View Post

Baseball Jacket has always been only length modifications like the varsities(body & sleeves), nothing else.

I heard Drew was going to try and address the tightness in the upper half for the baseball vs the old version ?
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Originally Posted by demonsblood View Post

I heard Drew was going to try and address the tightness in the upper half for the baseball vs the old version ?

Here are all the posts he's made about the Baseball Jacket this year:
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

Also, where are you guys getting these baseball jackets from? lol
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

ah good point, forgot you gave your dad that jacket. I thought my old man was gonna be the oldest with a TOJ, guess not.

I guess to answer wj4's question though, the age range is a lot wider than he probably thinks, it's hard to tell a poster's age if they don't talk about it in some context. We get a lot of guys who email us and tell us how old they are as a preface for 'dude, this better not be too tight...'

I make some stuff a little wilder than others so that it can cover a wider range - my dad wants a CWU-45, for example. I would wear that when I'm 60 as well. He isn't gonna look that great in a Quilted DR and I probably won't when I'm 60 either, but you know, some here, some there. I could probably die steezy of old age in an A-1, or the baseball jacket, the CWU45, the A-2, etc, etc. Since most are MTM and you can dial in however you want them to fit, the possibilities there are pretty wide ranging - it allows for pretty much any male past puberty all the way until death of natural causes to wear one or more of the TOJ's well.

Age isn't the biggest game changer and doesn't need to affect the design of your clothes so much IMO- it's probably more about staying fit and wearing nice clothes. I was sitting in the car yesterday watching this old guy with a white beard come down the overhead walkway in a tophat, cash DB coat over a suit, leather gloves and a big wool stole; guy looked like a really well-groomed version of Gen Fu - guy had more steez in his facial expressions alone than I've seen in months. He was wearing some pretty white-collar sartolialist-type stuff, but he would have looked just as cool in a beanie, the TOJ CWU-45 in black lamb, a knit turtleneck, and some trousers and chunky derbies or even monochrome black running shoes, or grey NBs 992's even.
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

The suede Bball might come back someday. Needs somebody to push it along I guess, requires some more custom order of the ribbing.
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

yea we have a few pieces left, we will put them up with pics this week sometime.

Still thinking on the baseball, it'd be similar but a little different. The calf suede was cool and a good price, but it comes out a little heavy with our build spec. Seems everyone wants the tan bball, maybe a few in the minority for the grey one.

Varsity is coming soon, still deciding on that as well. I want to make something crazy, but that only costs money and puts people off.
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

not too many other styles can be made from that leather, I kind of hesitate at the thought of the Moto as it has the smaller band around the neck that needs to be sewn and turned back out flat, which would be an undertaking as that particular piece has not got much side to side room like a collar or waist band.

I'm gonna have Dan look into the possibility of making the Bball again this week, some parts would need to get re-made for that to happen. Last year's with the cow suede came out heavier and more stiff than I had really hoped for, so if I make it again, I am wanting to see if the cow suede can be split down further (possibly giving a smoother hand?) and made lighter, more velveteen. I had wanted movement in that jacket, especially in the midsection where it buttons, but it didn't happen the first time around, it was more structured. Anyway, working on that.

Varsity jacket, still thinking on. I had some crazy ideas but I think I'll keep those in reserve for a new identity I have planned, and keep TOJ's a more classical affair. If it's not a TOJ0, people just complain to no end, it's either complaining about zippers or snaps, that it's not skin tight, people want too many color combinations, etc. It's a hassle to say the least. Imagine trying to make something with an alternative pattern - there'd still be people complaining about the fit. lol.
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

The thing about material weight is that it's a very grey area really - the thickness/weight of a leather gets proportionally 'thicker' the smaller the size of the jacket, like 44-46. Up in Synthese's size range, like a 50, the jackets tend to be kinda 'normal' whereas the small sizes are just small in all dimensions, yet the ratio between leather weight and vertical/lateral planes is much higher if you can see what I am getting at. It makes for slightly different experiences and this can't really be helped. I don't think it's something that anybody notices and I'm pretty hypersensitive to all sorts of details that you guys don't even need to think about when it comes to these things, but I have to think about them obviously.

The T1 doesn't work in thicker cow suede, it's really heavy. Those pleats in the front make the front panels almost twice as wide as they appear. The cow suede we had was really thick, designs are sensitive to weight changes in the material for sure. A .5-1oz difference shows up, you can feel it with your hands if you have enough experience with the stuff.

Anyway, with the Bball jacket, I was looking for something slightly thinner so that it had a more fluid movement through the middle, so that one could just button a few of those MOP buttons in the middle, wear it as a blouson. With the thicker weight, that didn't happen exactly as I'd hoped. I also felt that in the end, the slightly small MOP buttons were nice but incongruent with the thicker leather - had hoped for a thinner jacket effect to match the buttons.

Thinner cowskin doesn't change the the actual material dudes, it'd be the same thing. Just shaved to a better consistency to work with and drape to create the garment I want to make. I play with different thicknesses of the same leather to make the leather jackets already, it's part of the craft.

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Originally Posted by Synthese View Post

can't stop won't stop baseball jacket crushes springtime Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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Now you're just rubbing it in. redface.gif But I'm glad the Bball has finally made peace with itself and found its rightful place in the continuum. The above is what I wanted for it.
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

Oh, and I gotta tuck in for the night soon because I got some appointments in the morning, but I was gonna mention that we will discuss the viability of bringing the Bball jacket back in some form, and have an answer within this week.
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

Yeah, I'm thinking if I take a legitimate break and rest on it, maybe start from phase 2, anything current would not come back in the same form. There might similar themes, maybe a couple classics (I still keep the Moto and the DR close to my heart, as that's how it really started for me), but the majority of the designs will be different.
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Originally Posted by TACO_FLAVORED_KISSES View Post

any news on the bball front?
Looking like they will be possible, just waiting on a couple more confirmations from Dan on materials.
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

so, let's talk about baseball jackets...
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

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Originally Posted by skitlets View Post

Oh god, bball. Time to save. So broke from visiting law schools + car repairs.
Still calf suede Drew? So approximately what, ~$450?
yes and yes
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

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Originally Posted by Bruce10 View Post

Here's hoping the new bball come with the option of no striped hem and cuff. Would definitely buy if this was available.
I saw the one in the gallery and it looks really clean.
We're not doing that again, was a custom request. I didn't really like the outcome that much.
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

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Originally Posted by afixedpoint View Post

Was going to suggest a forest green bball as well. Red could be a more adventurous option
We offered red originally..... nobody really stepped up. Somebody might've, if I recall, but it was months after the original release, and we had long scrapped plans to run the suede up in red. Green tends to follow red in terms of buy-in, so don't expect to see green anytime soon....

Item of note; we have to run the suede up to our specs in massive quantities per color, it's a headache and I didn't really want to make the Bball because of this (and the custom rib that has to be made again), and I don't think people are going to show up and buy 20 Bballs a piece, so color choices are going to remain pretty limited. I'm not really in the position to take suggestions for colors here in the thread, that becomes fruitless.

I think tan will be the leadoff color, perhaps a new color will make the cut later.
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Originally Posted by Billster View Post

wasnt it 730 before or something?
shit now this is something I can afford
it was 415 before. Last time we ran calf suede though, we had a much lower minimum run. I don't know why, but the guy is dicking me on it this year and has raised the price and the minimum run to suede it (it starts as top grain/corrected leather and we take the top grain/correction off, since it doesn't matter). Anyway, gotta cover on the materials. We also gotta treat Bball jackets as a pre-order thing to start again this time, if we don't get enough to cover the orders and the huge run on the suede we'll just refund the payments again, we've done that before with a couple projects that didn't take off.

Full-grain lamb and lamb suede, calf, goat, and sometimes horse (if we have it) start at 735 and go up from there depending on color and the material in question.
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

they're sized differently man. One is MTM with a set-in sleeve, the other is a raglan that you can't really change the measurements on. I will post an updated chart later (I'm going to America tomorrow so a little busy right now), we're not really doing sizing for them today, just collecting pre-orders to see if it's gonna be feasible, or if we have to cancel the Bball entirely.
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

Yup, just email Charly to pre-order. As I said we're not doing sizing just yet, we'll go back and do that if it looks close to reaching the minimum quantity required. Size chart will be tweaked a little based on feedback from before.

For now, despite grizzlybear's eloquent input on the matter, tan will be the only color available for now. We might intro another color but as I said, the minimums for the materials went up and it makes it harder to run a secondary color (with the secondary demand that accompanies, of course) - and tan was the runaway hit color last year, works well, yada yada. If people really make the push for a color other than tan (we can't entertain tire kicking in the thread as real intent) then other colors might be viable sooner. But yes, 3 pages of color names
to follow can't make any colors more more or less viable, so don't follow this post with 2c posts.

Btw- I've discussed the materials with Dan and he pointed out that making the calf suede too thin could affect durability, so we will stick with it on the thicker side again, as last time. Durability is always king.
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Originally Posted by mike1445 View Post

I'm in for a tan bball if I can get a bump up in size from the menu, Drew, can this be arranged?
Yes, we can accommodate you (literally)
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

We're getting somewhat close to the required number for Bball orders. Once we hit a safe range we can go and put the ribbing into production, and then assess the color choices amongst the people who have ordered. redface.gif

If we get more orders than the minimum on tan, we'll go back and see if people who've paid already have a second choice on color and see what happens. There were a couple mentions of grey, we may even have enough from last year to do a small number like that but no guarantees til I talk to Dan. Definitely no green, so people who'd want green would have to come out in force and put down for that color, I don't know how likely that'd be. It'd be a deep emerald green, not really forest or leaf green.
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

Met up with a few guys today and did measurements, talked a bit. Both guys in for Baseball jackets devil.gif

Edited by willy cheesesteak - 4/1/12 at 5:47am
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Not Mtm but they're putting together a new size chart in the meantime while waiting for enough buyers
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I think Willy's post needs to pop up at anyone that has the word "baseball" in their post before they're allowed to click submit.

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Originally Posted by pseudonym View Post

Any chance at all that Drew's bringing back the wallets (or a new variation)?
Damn, regret not getting one.

I really hope these are brought back for a last call. I have a TOJ small zip wallet and I love it, but I fell down a hill hiking and the leather got all torn up.

I'd buy 3 of the same wallet just to hoard, that's how much I love this wallet.
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I looked through the bball gallery again today and the fit has me a bit worried. Seems fairly long in the sleeves on almost everyone, may be due to the raglan and that most people don't have super broad shoulders to hold such a style up. I do though, so I'm not too worried about that.

It also seems like most people sized up one, perhaps after hearing the bball fits smaller than other styles, don't think I would size up from my normal leather sizing unless the 46 p2p ends up being like smaller than 19".

Hopefully I can get together enough money to grab a bball and a 4 zip MDR in a dark brown (is dark whisk still available?), then I'll be set for a while
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Would insta-cop a TOJ half-zip wallet. Been trying to find the MMM ones but they seem to be elusive here in North America
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Originally Posted by fungz0r View Post

Would insta-cop a TOJ half-zip wallet. Been trying to find the MMM ones but they seem to be elusive here in North America

cdg has one too? more expensive though.
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Originally Posted by pronxs View Post

cdg has one too? more expensive though.

Yeah, do you know any stockists in N.A that has them right now? Only place I've seen online is DSM and it's pricey like you said
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Originally Posted by reedobandito View Post

I looked through the bball gallery again today and the fit has me a bit worried. Seems fairly long in the sleeves on almost everyone, may be due to the raglan and that most people don't have super broad shoulders to hold such a style up. I do though, so I'm not too worried about that.
It also seems like most people sized up one, perhaps after hearing the bball fits smaller than other styles, don't think I would size up from my normal leather sizing unless the 46 p2p ends up being like smaller than 19".
Hopefully I can get together enough money to grab a bball and a 4 zip MDR in a dark brown (is dark whisk still available?), then I'll be set for a while

you can customize the length of the sleeves.
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Originally Posted by reedobandito View Post

I looked through the bball gallery again today and the fit has me a bit worried. Seems fairly long in the sleeves on almost everyone, may be due to the raglan and that most people don't have super broad shoulders to hold such a style up. I do though, so I'm not too worried about that.
It also seems like most people sized up one, perhaps after hearing the bball fits smaller than other styles, don't think I would size up from my normal leather sizing unless the 46 p2p ends up being like smaller than 19".
Hopefully I can get together enough money to grab a bball and a 4 zip MDR in a dark brown (is dark whisk still available?), then I'll be set for a while

i think they made it so it would fit slouchier, that's how I imagine a baseball jacket to fit with sleeves slightly stacked and a bit of room in the body
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Hey ToJ dudes,

I'm testing the water for my burgundy FQHH MDR again. It is a modified 46. I'm 5'9'' to 5'10'' at 155-160 lbs, 37'' chest, and it's a good slim fit. I'm trying to lean out my closet and I don't wear this piece much so this is why I'm seeing if anyone wants it. According to my knowledge, horsehide is no longer offer. The hue is great. It looks burgundy in sunlight and dark brownish under artificial lighting. My pictures are on the ToJ website. Feel free to inquire if interested. If you're in the Los Angeles area, you can feel free to meet up and see it in person!
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Would also buy a wallet with that quickness. Why was it discontinued?
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Originally Posted by wj4 View Post

Hey ToJ dudes,
I'm testing the water for my burgundy FQHH MDR again. It is a modified 46. I'm 5'9'' to 5'10'' at 155-160 lbs, 37'' chest, and it's a good slim fit. I'm trying to lean out my closet and I don't wear this piece much so this is why I'm seeing if anyone wants it. According to my knowledge, horsehide is no longer offer. The hue is great. It looks burgundy in sunlight and dark brownish under artificial lighting. My pictures are on the ToJ website. Feel free to inquire if interested. If you're in the Los Angeles area, you can feel free to meet up and see it in person!

WANT
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Originally Posted by wurm View Post

Still awaiting more fit pics of trousers...I don't think I've seen any other than Drew's, what gives peoples? puzzled.gif

Has anyone received theirs yet? I just ordered a week ago so I expect 2 more weeks before I can post fit pics.
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