or Connect
Styleforum › Forums › Men's Style › Streetwear and Denim › The new official TOJ thread, 2011
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

The new official TOJ thread, 2011 - Page 1154

post #17296 of 45038
Will Google this shit later. I get what you're trying to say, I just don't get the Japanese Magazine refs.
post #17297 of 45038
Might make more sense if it was translated and didn't relate to Japanese magazines. I get the idea.
post #17298 of 45038

Quote:

Originally Posted by sexonfabric View Post

This is some of the dullest shit posted in a forum full of, "how much will my APC stretch," and "what goes with a white shirt."
Well played.


Even if you remove the magazines entirely and just look at it from a style categorization point of view, I still think it's pretty cool.  Then again, I've read way too many studies on culture.

 

You said there were scans available, where?

post #17299 of 45038
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by brad-t View Post

IDK man, clearly you know a whole lot more than I do about the scope of this but 5351 did collab items with Joker last year and Kiryuyrik, Shellac, Galaabend, Attachment and others are featured in SENSE constantly? Basically you're saying I belong in the onii-kei bucket even though I don't buy anything from any of the brands in those magazines whereas I actively buy and follow brands in the non-kei mags but I don't fall into that bucket at all because ... what, I like snakeskin and have "flashy" hair?

Like I said man, I feel it's not about the brands so much as the 'coordi' and the look, and you wear makeup and have the hair, etc - if you stepped into Shibuya you would not be identified as Onii-kei, no. Real Onii-kei is extreme and very hard-edged, those guys look like they don't even bathe that much. You'd possibly be labeled Visual-kei.

Keep in mind that in Japan, people don't necessarily buy these mags and take them home - they're reading them for free for about 10-15 minutes at the 7-11 and the takeaway is just very braindead visuals, pictures only usually. Readers don't pore over the brands, prices, socioeconomic structures normally. That's the editorial side of the job. ANyway, people do get some sort of takeaway from it, and they figure out their style. They probably go for the same magazine on the rack each time, and ignore others, thereby enrolling in a 'zoku' if they're committal enough.

Kiryuryrik, Shellac, GalaabenD, Attachment - disparate labels, also kind of bottom-mid fodder that a lot of magazines kinda pass around within Mens Non-kei, maybe lower filler for the Mode mags (SENSE, as you said, but SENSE 'specializes' in 'black mode' - focusing only on items that come in black) - but I don't think you'd get identified as either Men's Non-kei or Mode, your taste is too extreme and you go for items that have embellishments, themes, or some sort extreme design twist. Men's non-kei is 'cute' and fairly clean style, and nowadays it gravitates towards pseudo-Americana leanings. Mode-kei encapsulates truly luxurious fashion - expensive, luxurious looks, straight off the runways of Europe. I don't know how to best explain this but you have a way of basically rejecting everything that is normally considered mainstream(? maybe not the best descriptor here) or normal (? again).
post #17300 of 45038
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by KingJulien View Post

Quote:

You said there were scans available, where?

Google 'Japanese magazine scans' and do a little Boolean shuffle, you will eventually come across links. Sufu has a dedicated thread for links to pdf downloads that come off Chinese servers.
post #17301 of 45038
Quote:
Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post


man, if you feel that way, it's way over your head but that's not what I intended. It's too bad, because this is all a google search away, and your style and world would blow way open. I'm trying to get people more in touch with their personal style here, instead of languoring in some sort of styleforum/messageboard groupthink du jour type thing - there's actual groupings and better curated genres for this stuff.

 

i was annoyed with this at first tool but I only because I have no familiarity with these pub's... I'm curious how these are such a big factor in Japanese style subculture while in the US it seems we had only a few menswear/style magazines that were directed at wealthier/older demographic and perhaps the scattered zines that covered local skate/music/art scenes (don't jump on me if I'm missing something). piqued an interest now.
 

 

post #17302 of 45038
Final Fantasy-kei

I don't really care if I fit into a specific group or not, but the idea that I am buying into the Men's Knuckle look sort of bothers me because I don't really like it. haha
post #17303 of 45038

Thanks for posting that, I feel like SF / any board really is pretty insular, in that there are only a few posters I'd look to for any sort of information or inspiration, and the only other options out there really are fashion shows and the infrequent well-written article in English.

post #17304 of 45038
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mike1445 View Post


i was annoyed with this at first tool but I only because I have no familiarity with these pub's... I'm curious how these are such a big factor in Japanese style subculture while in the US it seems we had only a few menswear/style magazines that were directed at wealthier/older demographic and perhaps the scattered zines that covered local skate/music/art scenes (don't jump on me if I'm missing something). piqued an interest now.

 

Yes, and that's exactly the point - America has no publications that cater to this many style genres, looks, lifestyles - just doesn't exist anywhere outside of Japan still. There's enough on that graph to show you that you could be picking up like 10 magazines (or more) a month filled with (and Japanese mags are like phone books, like ceoceo said) clothes you'd be interested in. That's like $100+ layout on mags, I actually do pick up all the relevant mags every month because I'm interested in the content but I like to keep a hold on the spread at any given time.

Try that in America, just can't happen. Style is confused in America still. At the most, the internet will fill in the blanks for the obsessed in the USA, rather than print mags, which are somewhat archaic in the US, and also basically dug their own grave in terms of usefulness. Different business model as well, the mags are almost cover to cover paid editorials that look like genuine magazine content (it's a tight cooperative thing) , whereas the tradition in the US to pay for large 1 or 2 page ads, like the first 50 pages of a GQ mag would be. The Japanese didn't really uptake on the internet until much later than the USA, they're not as interested as sitting and surfing the net all day for info intake. Also, like I said, standing at the Japanese 7-11 reading mags is a pasttime, it's called 'tachi-yomi' (standing+reading) and part of the magazine culture. Includes porno mags in the tachi-yomi culture, but all mags are fair game for that.
post #17305 of 45038

http://li8htnin8.blogspot.ca/ is a pretty good source for more recent issues.
 

Quote:
Originally Posted by KingJulien View Post

Quote:



Even if you remove the magazines entirely and just look at it from a style categorization point of view, I still think it's pretty cool.  Then again, I've read way too many studies on culture.

 

You said there were scans available, where?



 

post #17306 of 45038
Thread Starter 
I gave Dan, before I left Korea, like 2 100L trash bags full of Japanese mags, most of them from the Mode/Mens Non-kei/Italian and AMerican-keis. I'd say there was like 300-500 in there, haha. Collected over the span of 3 years. I have lived in Japan for 6 months but I have about 100 mags stacked up in a corner of my bedroom already, they're obviously easier to get over here....
post #17307 of 45038
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kajak View Post

Will Google this shit later. I get what you're trying to say, I just don't get the Japanese Magazine refs.
Quote:
Originally Posted by sexonfabric View Post

Might make more sense if it was translated and didn't relate to Japanese magazines. I get the idea.

You dudes want to be spoonfed and can't look a few pages back?
post #17308 of 45038
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by brad-t View Post

I relate a lot more to this:
303784_261161263915926_162249670473753_872615_1151874966_n.jpg
Than this:
512lcFHHfOL.jpg

I think you are confusing what is your 'aspirational look' vs the final product, we all have aspirational looks and desired stylings, but you know, from a quick glance and without giving it too much thought, I think many would say you do resemble something closer to the left guy on the cover of Men's Knuckle, rather than the styling at the top from SENSE.
post #17309 of 45038
Quote:
Originally Posted by dibango View Post

You dudes want to be spoonfed and can't be bothered to look a few pages back?
facepalm.gif
I read that but I need visuals to get a good understanding of clothing a lot of the time.
post #17310 of 45038
Well, I'm in a transition right now redface.gif
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Streetwear and Denim
Styleforum › Forums › Men's Style › Streetwear and Denim › The new official TOJ thread, 2011