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Grug, I know you don't listen to me, but I already pinpointed the reason for your fit problems earlier - none of them were related to the side to side measurements and your insistence to keep tapering in jackets like this is not helping the look. The Moto is fucked, but the DR - it's not a side to side problem, you're getting bunching in the back because the hem of the jacket in the back is riding up on your butt. Post the back fit of the DR again, and this will be apparent.

We only have fit problems like this when people insist on making their own measurements against our advice; coincidence, or not?
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The process for making a perfect fitting leather jacket at this point - it could not be more simple. I really mean that - the 7 measurements or so are all that is needed, but there can't be any fewer steps either, we need those 7 bits of data, any fewer would be insufficient, any more is relaly unnecessary. That said, it takes all of 1 minute to get these measurements done on your part, and we'll turn out a jacket that fits.

Complicate these steps, and it's gonna go wrong. I have cut the patterns for these jackets myself, I've sized for hundreds of jackets, Charly has sized people for hundreds of jackets, we know what we are doing - you should take our advice. Human bodies are not so different that you need to add three inches here and take away 2 there - the difference between stock sizes in OTR clothing are usually less than an inch, size to size - the differences are very small.
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Originally Posted by Nereis View Post

These jackets aren't meant to have 'waist suppression' in the sense that a suit jacket would have. They're meant to sit on your hips so it'd look a bit odd (and a bit like a woman's jacket) to follow the lines of your torso exactly. They're already slim as is.
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Originally Posted by Dbear View Post

^ true dat.  


I think Drew has said before (correct me if I'm wrong), but the TOJ style (at least for the riders) is having square shoulders with clean lines.  I interpret that as slim, but masculine silhouette.  

This is correct - you're gonna look like a fruit if you try to taper in the sides of a leather jacket. People with big hips should not be trying to suppress the waist of their jacket, it's only going to accentuate all the wrong parts. The 'fit' is not to be taken literally, as in 'does this piece of clothing follow my body with exactly an inch margin everywhere?' - it's supposed to dress you so that you look good. We do that part, you just give us the measurements.
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Originally Posted by notwithit View Post

I don't disagree; drop 10 is well within the range of normal.
All the same, when you were sizing me, you expressed reluctance to add too much suppression in the midsection, and I believe you said it might look weird with the design of the jacket.
And...I dunno, you mentioned that you were thinking about something along those lines a while ago, so I thought it wouldn't hurt to ask. shog[1].gif

You got your jacket tailored afterwards, right? I think your jacket fits too tight now, too much waist suppression, I prefer my way of cutting. As above, you should dress your figure, rather than individual points of your body. The house cut is supposed to be V shaped, never / \ shaped or ) ( shaped.
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Drew, you ever considered sell your products at department store? or locally owned boutique to get it started?
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I'm pretty sure he could have if he wanted. Leather jackets that are less thank half the quality but double the price are selling like crazy in Korean department store. But then why would Drew want to confine himself with stores when he (im pretty sure) gets orders from all around the world in big numbers. I know I would not want to do that.
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I remember drew discussing it a couple pages back. He's gotten tons of offers from brick and mortar stores but he doesn't want a middle man and he wants complete control over all aspects of his line.
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the tracking number in my inbox makes me very happy satisfied.gif
post #15294 of 40822
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The prospect of selling TOJ in stores is not far off, but naturally, the range would be different and geared towards something pre-packaged probably - so the basics and ready made things like jeans, the knits, tees, shirts, etc, could show up on racks, but we'd still operate with some degree of accessibility because I want to be able to make MTM or even custom things for the right people, who've been here all along supporting TOJ and understanding what it is we do.

The quality wouldn't be any less, but there are just better ways of making and selling certain items - having the jeans and shirts in-store for trying on in person would be a boon; trying to make a perfect fitting leather jacket for everybody via OTR would be futile and ruin the track record we have.

We've been contacted by stores with similar pitches in just about every city worth shopping in over the years, those people would get accounts first, most likely - but still, I don't particularly plan to turn what is made one by one (for a specific person, from start to finish) into something made 1000 at a time overnight, so no worries. It's not gonna be the next Christian Audigier or anything like that.
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Awaiting the "artishard" rider.

stay tuned...
post #15296 of 40822
Why not have like a fitting specialist in a city/region and that person can be the liaison i suppose, but then again, fitting/measurements aren't that difficult. But it does give the customer some sort of assurance
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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

The prospect of selling TOJ in stores is not far off, but naturally, the range would be different and geared towards something pre-packaged probably - so the basics and ready made things like jeans, the knits, tees, shirts, etc, could show up on racks, but we'd still operate with some degree of accessibility because I want to be able to make MTM or even custom things for the right people, who've been here all along supporting TOJ and understanding what it is we do.
The quality wouldn't be any less, but there are just better ways of making and selling certain items - having the jeans and shirts in-store for trying on in person would be a boon; trying to make a perfect fitting leather jacket for everybody via OTR would be futile and ruin the track record we have.
We've been contacted by stores with similar pitches in just about every city worth shopping in over the years, those people would get accounts first, most likely - but still, I don't particularly plan to turn what is made one by one (for a specific person, from start to finish) into something made 1000 at a time overnight, so no worries. It's not gonna be the next Christian Audigier or anything like that.

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Originally Posted by impolyt_one View Post

You got your jacket tailored afterwards, right? I think your jacket fits too tight now, too much waist suppression, I prefer my way of cutting. As above, you should dress your figure, rather than individual points of your body. The house cut is supposed to be V shaped, never / \ shaped or ) ( shaped.

Um...

The only thing I did is have the sleeves slimmed a little. The body is 100% cut the way you sized it.
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