The pants that are featured in the discontinued section of the gallery - is this the example for what your new pants will look like?
The single pleats remind me of something trendy that would come from Zara a high-end designer.
The single pleats remind me of something trendy that would come from Zara a high-end designer.

















So, I guess the outlook for down is better, but again, would take some real thought to engineer, possibly a lot of trials and stuff. I just don't like doing things the easy way if I find out about the next level.

but I just realized that Woodyear called himself black from Drew's sig. Made my day