The Borgias (2011) - Page 2

After the first three episodes, not terribly impressed with the writing and pacing. Irons is great, but he can't carry the whole series on his shoulders. A bit better than Camelot, at least, but still a long way from the standard set by Rome (or the granddaddy of them all, I, Claudius).

3 episodes into Rome did you have a boner for it? It took me a while to get into it. Anyway, I really like The Borgias (even compared to A Game of Thrones).

I wouldn't use that particular metaphor, but I was into Rome from episode one. I'm still DVRing The Borgias in hopes that it will improve, but it will take a lot more dimensionality in the characters than I've yet seen to really sell me on it.

Now Machiavelli is involved... the character seems like something out of the Prince and less like a real life person.

It's a bit all over the place and struggling to find a rhythm. There's also a lack of geographical explanations for the majority of the audience unfamiliar with the history of the period (Italy was composed of separate kingdoms constantly at war with each other.)

I could see where this could be a problem. However they did try to explain it with a map during Ep. 2 or 3 (I forget which).

Did you know him well enough to know the difference?

Indeed, this is only the first of two series on that murderous Renaissance clan coming your way this year.The Tudors may have spun the heads of historians for its transgressions, but the series lasted four seasons and 38 episodes and proved a hit with viewers.When Cesare refused to allow Juan the use of Micheletto as his assassin, the younger brother found an amateur who was extremely unsuccessful in killing Prince Djem.

Fuck yes!

Great episode. Imagine being fucking 13 and having Emmanuelle Chriqui ready to jump your bones.