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post #31 of 45
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In my mind, there is no debate whatsoever whether this item classifies as "New without tags", "guaranteed never worn". An experienced clothing seller should easily see that, but I was going to give him the benefit of the doubt. The fact that the seller relisted the item as new again after agreeing that it was misrepresented tells me he deliberately misrepresented this item on ebay, with certainty for the new auction, with very high probability for the old one. ETA:
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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post
[...] The point is that he agreed to refund the purchase and even pay for the return shipping - by most eBayers' standards, he went beyond what is expected in such a situation. We have to agree to disagree here, I guess, but I really can't think of anything else the seller could have done at that point to make the transaction more satisfactory. [...]
Well, he could have increased the 'bribe' for example. I'm not sure I would've accepted, but it would have definitely improved the outcome from my point of view. More realistically, he could have chosen not to relist this item as new again. This would have had two effects: 1) restore my faith in ebay-mankind 2) make his particular racket unprofitable in the long run -> every honest ebayer profits.
post #32 of 45
Neutral or negative. Had he admitted his fault and not relisted the item with the same description, it would have been another case entirely.
post #33 of 45
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Originally Posted by Redwoood View Post
Again, how exactly does this work?

As I am obviously in the minority here I will not attempt to explain any of the other issues mentioned, but since you asked about this one I feel compelled to reply.

I recently purchased a Luciano Barbera suit on Ebay that was highlighted here at "ebay suits, sportcoats, and other clothing" by "Achilles_." Based on the measurements provided and the item description it seemed like a nice suit for my needs, although it would likely need some minor alterations to make it fit exactly right. He listed the suit as: "It is in pristine condition- virtually brand new." He also provided the following measurements: Waist- 38 Inseam- 32 and the jacket length as regular.

I received the suit expecting to shorten the inseam by about 1 inch and bring in the waist by 1 inch, based on the measurements he provided. The actual waist size was 40.5 inches and the inseam 28. Even with the 2 inches folded under I would not be able to lengthen the inseam to make it fit. IN addition, the coat was 29.5 inches long, clearly a very short, not a regular, as advertised. Clearly, not as advertised. It also had a rather grotesque pee stain in the crotch area, a photograph of which I included in "ebay suits, sportcoats, and other clothing" when I alerted others, here, of the issues I had with the suit.

In this instance, I felt I was entitled to a full refund, to include return shipping. The guy gave me a full refund, before I had even returned the item, which I thought was nice, but did not include the return shipping costs I incurred. I asked about this and he replied that Ebay does not require him to pay return shipping. The guy was clearly an amateur, did not know how to take proper measurements, and said he truly had missed the pee stain and was embarrassed by it. I took him at his word. Maybe I should have left the guy a negative, I don't know, but I chose, instead, to leave him no feedback at all.

I have had other, more serious "not as described items" where I felt it was deliberate. In those cases I told the seller that it was not right that I should have to pay to return an item to someone that was clearly not what I had purchased and respectfully asked that they refund my costs to return the item, especially since Ebay requires tracking. When one initially objected, I replied that I would have to take all of his actions into consideration when leaving feedback and regrettably, causing me to pay to return a misrepresented item to him was one of those factors. He paid the return shipping. In all other cases they immediately agreed to pay the return shipping and were usually quite apologetic so, having been made "whole," as I see it, I left positive feedback.

Negative feedback, for me, represents the ultimate punishment Ebay permits a buyer to leave a seller so I think the crime ought to fit the punishment. I have only left one negative feedback. The guy sold me a pair of shoes that never arrived. I asked him for tracking and he said he had none. I asked him to open an insurance claim and he said he had not purchased insurance. I reminded him that he charged me for the cost of both tracking and insurance to which he replied he would gladly refund those costs, but since the item was lost by the USPS it was not his fault. I left him negative feedback. Within days he had another half dozen or more negative feedbacks for the same thing and then his account was closed. I still lost over $400.
post #34 of 45
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Originally Posted by LatinStyleLover View Post
[...] Negative feedback, for me, represents the ultimate punishment Ebay permits a buyer to leave a seller so I think the crime ought to fit the punishment. I have only left one negative feedback. The guy sold me a pair of shoes that never arrived. I asked him for tracking and he said he had none. I asked him to open an insurance claim and he said he had not purchased insurance. I reminded him that he charged me for the cost of both tracking and insurance to which he replied he would gladly refund those costs, but since the item was lost by the USPS it was not his fault. I left him negative feedback. Within days he had another half dozen or more negative feedbacks for the same thing and then his account was closed. I still lost over $400.
Ebay buyer protection or paypay should have gotten you your money back. What happened? Ah ok, when you originally said you make clear that you will leave negative feedback unless..., I thought you arrange these things beforehand, which is not something I had heard before. After you receive the item, threatening with bad feedback is hardly an unexpected move seeing how it is one of the few weapons in your arsenal. ETA: BTW, I really don't understand why it is relevant to you whether you are in the majority or minority in order to express your opinion.
post #35 of 45
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Originally Posted by LatinStyleLover View Post
Negative feedback, for me, represents the ultimate punishment Ebay permits a buyer to leave a seller so I think the crime ought to fit the punishment.

this is my understanding as well. i think a "neutral" with a warning statement is the perfect solution.
post #36 of 45
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Originally Posted by Redwoood View Post
Ebay buyer protection or paypay should have gotten you your money back. What happened?

This pre-dated Ebay requiring all sellers to accept Paypal. This guy asked for and I stupidly sent him a Cashiers Check. He did this to about 40 or 50 people and walked away with a lot of money. He lived in Philly and I reported him to the DA there and suggested that with all of the other people he had ripped off this should be worthy of their investigation. I gave them the guys full name and address, but have no idea why nothing happened to the guy. At the time the guy had an AOL address, as did I, and he would come online late at night and I would send him instant messages calling him a thief and whatnot, but this guy didn't care. I wrote it off as a lesson I would not forget and a mistake I would not repeat.
post #37 of 45
i've bought a bunch on ebay (at least according to my wife). i've had mostly postive to great experiences, a couple of neutrals and only one blatant rip-off. of course, that was the most expensive thing i ever bought online: a pair of what were supposed to be really great speakers that arrived two weeks late, battered from ground shipping, and then turned out to have been re-badged in the first place. i tried to deal with it reasonably, (foodguy=universal lover!), but that wasn't going to happen. Went to dispute resolution but ended up only collecting $100 of the $900 because that was all paypal would cover at the time. then the guy gave me negative feedback! ebay took it down immediately, but it was a very weird, very expensive experience.
post #38 of 45
Negative, he made you loose your time sending you and item with cum.
post #39 of 45
negative definitely. Don't let him get away with that anymore.
post #40 of 45
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Originally Posted by SpallaCamiccia View Post
Negative, he made you loose your time sending you and item with cum.

While the item had several flaws, I'd like to emphasize that it was NOT covered in cum.
post #41 of 45
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Originally Posted by Redwoood View Post
While the item had several flaws, I'd like to emphasize that it was NOT covered in cum.


Oh in what was I thinking about when I wrote it, too much porno online
post #42 of 45
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Alright, I went ahead and gave the guy neutral feedback.
I think it was a borderline case, somewhere between neutral and negative, and certainly not positive no matter what arguments some of you have brought forward.
While I think that a negative rating would have had a stronger signalling function, it could have also backfired. Seeing how it is the strongest weapon that a buyer has, it is important to keep that one in reserve, so it is still a viable threat (as opposed to a certainty).
I am somewhat saddened by my failure to play 'ebay police' (as one of you put it) since it plays into the scammers' hands, but that's how things are unfortunately.

Thanks everybody for your input.
post #43 of 45
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Originally Posted by gdl203 View Post
Positive feedback because your own transaction outcome was positive to you - you were made whole.

It wasn't positive. It wasn't even neutral. A lot of his time was wasted because the seller misrepresented the item. The seller did not compensate him for this.

His transaction outcome was negative.
post #44 of 45
Interesting thread--I recently had a similar experience. I bought a winter coat that was described as NWOT. When it arrived, it had some holes and a stain (looked like bird droppings). After a long back and forth and a long wait, the seller did eventually refund me the full purchase price and all shipping costs. Moneywise, I've been made whole, but it was a waste of my time (I also missed out on other coats that I would have bought if I had known this one was a dud). I also checked, and it appears that the seller has since resold the coat as NWOT (it could be a different coat, but it's not a common item sold on Ebay; he also reused all the prior pictures which don't show the flaws).
post #45 of 45
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Originally Posted by LatinStyleLover View Post
Feedback should reflect YOUR transaction, not someone else's future transaction.

I would leave a neutral feedback: even though everything went "well", you still haven't got your item as advertised, which is what the transaction was about.
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