Originally Posted by F. Corbera
At least in the Mens Clothing forum, n00b threads in the last year have been dominated by socks, by spammers, and by the dull or dull witted.
Originally Posted by Matt
And as per TransMod, feel free to report any socks that you see or suspect to me personally, and I will look into that.
Are socks really that harmful by default, btw? Obviously, if they are used to circumvent a ban, shill, or bump in B/S. But otherwise? People use them to play games, but whether you do it with one account or seven, what's the difference? The old Vox probably has 15000 posts dedicated to playing games.
After all, everybody here (with some notable exceptions) is just playing a role, displaying a persona.
So imho it's not the sock per se that is wrong, but what you do with it.
Seriously, I don't really understand what all the fuss is about. If the old-timers want their forum back, they should take it back. Create insightful posts/threads, and everybody benefits. Actively encourage such behaviour by others, and you will get a better forum in return.
The DTness and CEness of the forum comes directly from other posters' encouraging prolific posters in these subfora.
Don't post in a garbage thread, and the OP might think twice about starting another one.
People that post on SF crave attention, some more-so than others. Attention, therefore, is your own little reward program.
I wonder how much of the old-timers' disappointment with the forum has to do with technology,
i.e., do they use the thread subscription feature? do they exclude the 'garbage' forums from "new posts"? do they hover over a thread to get the tool-tip snippet or do they click on anything whose title looks promising?
Wrt noob bashing, I think it falls under common rules for decency that should apply to all posts.
They just need to be enforced.
Some snark is good as there should be some sort of discouragement for inane posts. New people who have a potential for sticking around usually are people who lurk(ed). People who lurk are the ones that understand how vicious the forum can be, so they make sure they have all the i-s dotted and t-s crossed, before they post a question. The inside jokes derided above can actually be an encouragement to some people. Even though they don't understand them now, they strive to understand them, they research forum history, etc, they want to be part of the in-crowd. Reference the "What was the Carlo Franco thing all about" thread, btw started by current forum boogie-man MS.
Cliquishness can have its own reward system. If it were easy, if there were no learning curve, what would be the reward of making it into the clique?
I think some kind of restrictions on where and when newbies can post is not a bad idea. In particular, not having the ability to post a new thread for some time could be useful. Or maybe not even post in arbitrary threads, while, at the same time, giving them an outlet, e.g., the 'quick question/answer' thread. Some more charitable members can take care of this thread while the more snarky ones can stay away.
Having said that, by no means are only new members the ones who start all these uninteresting threads. Does Conne really have to start a new thread every time he shakes the hand of a female human being, or drops his sandwich, or whoknowswhat?
Again, this is all about attention and encouragement, not a question of rules.