Citizens On Patrol Thread...forum rules you would like to see

[LA Guy]

Originally Posted by Piobaire

That had to be surreal. I can relate, having been told in various healthcare threads that I have no idea about Canadian health care, etc.

I've had similar experiences...

Originally Posted by musicguy

I think a noob subforum is a bad idea and could turn off users or be interpreted as an insult. Style/Clothing/Fashion whatever you want to call it isn't like Linux. Linux needs a noob forum because most users have no freaking clue about how to do anything in Linux (myself included). Clothing is different; we've been wearing clothes for practically our entire lives.

Recommend me X, or Should I or shouldn't I buy... (clothing item) is a good idea for SW&D. Maybe they should be there in MC too.

The "Ask a Question, Get an Answer" thread doesn't seem to work because some (myself included) aren't interested in going to that thread often to answer questions. That said, I've been grateful for the times I've received responses in those threads.

Thanks for the post. I agree with you completely re. Noob subforums, and so does j, so it's not going to happen. That said, in the new implementation of the forum, there will be tools that direct people to more targeted information.

Originally Posted by Kent Wang

Of all the successful forums I have been on not a single one blocks first time noob threads. The only one I can think of is hackint0sh which puts all noob threads into a queue to be moderated.

Also, wikis work really well for consolidating information like "Best suit for $1000, $500, etc". FlyerTalk and HydrogenAudio have done this really well. But like all wikis, we just need some people to get it started.

Agreed again; and just to let you know, I'm working on a nifty incentive system to get you guys interested in writing entries for a Wiki (it might be more of a searchable FAQ, but we'll see).

Thanks for all of the comments so far, everyone, and please keep them coming. This has been a really helpful thread.

 

[SpooPoker]

Originally Posted by F. Corbera

For me? Not really.

The key thing for me is that such new members or new topics be interesting. The fact that a member is "new" means little to me if the member is dull, or as I really do think is recently true, a troll, sock, spammer or "drive-by" member.


His generosity was met by a fair amount of hosility from the peanut gallery, and a few snark bombs from senior members whose public service message is if-it's-not-my-stuff-it's-crap.

I don't know if he curtailed his posting because of this or simply being busy or losing interest. My main point with his example is that this is the kind of n00b whom I find interesting.

I guess I'm less concerned with reversing attrition of jaded senior members.


I very clearly remember an instance in my first 10 posts. I lurked for a few months, got to know the cast of characters, etc. The thread was something like "whats in style now". I posted that style is your own and you make of it what you will, and its different for everyone.

Well, 10 seconds later, someone who will remain nameless comes along and says "it only takes 2 senior members to get you banned, and I am one. Who's with me?" I had no idea what I did wrong. I was all WTF did I do - and then of course the pile on happened, and everyone was like Ban him! Ban him! I swear, it was a terrible feeling. However, I remember Sho'Nuff PM'ing me to tell me that snark was part of the hazing process, and to take it with a grain of salt.

I dont think I ever thanked you for that, Sho. Thanks. You made me the man I am today.

 

[musicguy]

Originally Posted by SpooPoker

I very clearly remember an instance in my first 10 posts. I lurked for a few months, got to know the cast of characters, etc. The thread was something like "whats in style now". I posted that style is your own and you make of it what you will, and its different for everyone. Well, 10 seconds later, someone who will remain nameless comes along and says "it only takes 2 senior members to get you banned, and I am one. Who's with me?" I had no idea what I did wrong. I was all WTF did I do - and then of course the pile on happened, and everyone was like Ban him! Ban him! I swear, it was a terrible feeling. However, I remember Sho'Nuff PM'ing me to tell me that snark was part of the hazing process, and to take it with a grain of salt. I dont think I ever thanked you for that, Sho. Thanks. You made me the man I am today.

lol I remember that... woah! I think I seconded the guy who recommended the ban

 

[Matt]

Originally Posted by deadly7

Compared to older threads I definitely think "good clothes" are not as frequently posted. When it was just the initial people for whom this was a serious hobby, there was a different tone. MTM and bespoke were many of the old discussions because you all had means to buy clothes like that. The Average Joe that did a Google search on "good suit tips" does not care about the intricacies of peak stitching or gorge. They just want a suit that doesn't look awful and is versatile. Hence, you lose the "good clothes" talk and get the "average person wants average clothes" talk in its stead.

I don't buy that either...the bargain hunting here goes back...****....way before I do.

J's thrifting thread has been around forever, people have been sending people to Jantzen forever and so on. This has always been a forum that loved a bargain, and I don't think the old days had a higher percentage of people who could afford Kiton, Brioni and Anderson & Sheppard. It was less streetweary back then, no doubt, but then, the amount of money the streetwear kids throw at jeans and sneakers kind of mutes the means argument.

 

[Rambo]

^The fact that we've been mired in this recession for so long isn't helping matters either.

 

[deadly7]

Originally Posted by Matt

I don't buy that either...the bargain hunting here goes back...****....way before I do.

J's thrifting thread has been around forever, people have been sending people to Jantzen forever and so on. This has always been a forum that loved a bargain, and I don't think the old days had a higher percentage of people who could afford Kiton, Brioni and Anderson & Sheppard. It was less streetweary back then, no doubt, but then, the amount of money the streetwear kids throw at jeans and sneakers kind of mutes the means argument.

Ah, I didn't mean to come off as saying people can't afford clothes like that. Moreso, the less they know about clothes, the less aware they are of higher-quality companies' existence. Before I started reading SF I saw the names Kiton, Attolini, etc. once every year or so. When the average new member comes in knowing that Kenneth Cole shoes are awesome because everyone is wearing them, it changes the scope of the forum. In MC, compare the number of new members talking about Hermes, Kiton, etc. versus Kenneth Cole, Men's Wearhouse, JAB to fully understand my point.

 

[SpooPoker]

Originally Posted by musicguy

lol I remember that... woah! I think I seconded the guy who recommended the ban

Close.. you were right in the mix.

 

[musicguy]

Originally Posted by SpooPoker

Close.. you were right in the mix.

rofl... It was my thread! woah... talk about a full circle

 

[NorCal]

Originally Posted by Matt

The Ubuntu forums have an 'Absolute Beginner' board for noobs to post dumnoobstuff. I tended to use that one exclusively...I'm wondering if that is a good idea. Thoughts?
Not a bad idea but how do you get people to use them? In SW&D there are several pinned threads that overlap and actually take up a bunch of screen space and people still rarely use them. My two cents: I might actually suggest getting rid of a bunch of the "vintage" pinned threads, e.g. trans mod 1.0, the first WAYWT and maybe moving them into a archival sub fora or some such. It would unclog the top of the screen and make the important pinned threads stand out that much more. It might make people more likely to actually use them. Perhaps add a transmod general chat where the regulars could *****, argue, call for bannings, speculate on socks and the like. Mods could drop by as they wish and the real transmod could be kept clear for legit site topics. Hand out a few TO's to get the point across. A good, well curated wikki would be an awesome idea. I actually agree with SH, merging GC and E&C is not a bad idea. Don't mess with the CESS, the people that hate it either a) are not smart enough to hang or b) really love it and just like to *****. (See: Manton). Try to get a hand on the random soft Appreciation in MC threads. I have no idea why the MC crowd thinks it's so clever but it's really not. (looking at you Vox). Ban one of Vox's accounts. IP ban Wolf Cub and Moon and all of his socks. I have no idea why his CPish posts are tolerated at all. Make TS a mod for one day a month during which he could go on a reign of terror. And do what can be done to put an end to the really mean spirited and rather pathetic misogyny that has sprouted up. I'm a certified sexual deviant and I find it pointless, offensive, and unfunny. Worst of all unfunny. Most of the people carrying that flag likely only see women on the internet anyway.

 

[Mark from Plano]

Originally Posted by NorCal

Make TS a mod for one day a month during which he could go on a reign of terror.
The best suggestion in the thread. And by "best" of course I mean worst, but intriguing and fun to think about.

 

[james_timothy]

Originally Posted by emptym

I joined the LL several months before joining SF. SF scared me at first, but I found it had more to offer than the LL (on a global level, not necessarily on a post by post basis). I think this is due in part to the "wild west" nature of SF. SF used to be well policed by its own members. But there grew a group that tears down anything good out of personally resentment. At its best, SF has guys devoted to excellence in every field. At its worst, it has guys devoted to tearing down excellence in every field.
Definitely on point. +1

Originally Posted by SpooPoker

Close.. you were right in the mix.

Oh, that was you- I remember that thread. You actually got a pretty good cast of characters there- be proud, noob- and in retrospect it looks like RJMan was foreshadowing his own demise. I still go to his for sale thread just to read his descriptions. I'm with Corbera (who couldn't be- didn't he get the back to sincerity religion first?) on the topic of the of data mining potential of the old threads of SF. Pejsek's thread From the Annals of AngloMania is wonderful, and there are images starting to leak away from it. If any noob goes to Manton's old thread on the Suit, they have to wonder if it is an elaborate joke: there is a series of random comments, no pics, and page after page of glorious reviews. The loss of the images that went with that thread... alas. Even Manton's wedding tie thread is going through image loss. So much of the understanding I like comes from the interaction of words and images that when the images are lost it is as if the perfect red on black vase was shattered.

Originally Posted by Douglas

I humbly submit:

 

[james_timothy]

re: back to sincerity- do you see where this has led us?

 

[Matt]

oh, allow me to flex my muscles there

all evidence of a battle of mock politeness has been removed, and all the n00b sees is two super nice and helpful forumites. It's lovely don't you think? If I was going to paint my room, I'd do it that color.

 

[Matt]

hell, even I weighed in politely. I haven't given MC advice in years. It was...refreshing.

 

[SpooPoker]

I like the new, kinder, gentler MC. Especially considering I dont do snark well at all.