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Originally Posted by Rambo View Post
This sounds like a reputation score. Now those suck.

I wasn't being serious.
post #302 of 357
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Originally Posted by gnatty8 View Post
How about a rule where as soon as a poster's ratio of random, petty nitpicking to useful posts rises above 8, they are shown the door? Would be hard to police, I admit, but one can dream.. Now that's a rule I could get behind..

I would support this if it didn't mean I would be immediately banned.
post #303 of 357
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Originally Posted by JLibourel View Post
I am quite amazed, having perused this lengthy thread, at what a bunch of authoritarian, uptight control freaks there are here. Why don't you guys migrate to AAAC? Now there's a clothing forum that has become pretty moribund largely because of authoritarian moderation. At least a large infusion of new blood would liven Andyland up somewhat.

Frankly, I enjoy the wild and wooly nature of SF. It is a large part of its charm. Take away the sexy babes and the irreverence and all that, and what are you left? Fabric weights, buttonhole stitching, spalla camica and stuff like that can get old mighty quickly.

As for the complaints about misogyny, I suppose I am one of the worst misogynists in the forum. Frankly, how any man with any amount of experience with women cannot have a considerable streak of misogyny is absolutely beyond me! And remember, I was consorting with women long before many of you guys were even born!

+100

I say this after having recently been labeled a misogynist for using the word "vagina" in a post. In DT, of all places. The new wave of petty uptightness is really unbecoming of this board.
post #304 of 357
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Originally Posted by Don Carlos View Post
+100

I say this after having recently been labeled a misogynist for using the word "vagina" in a post. In DT, of all places. The new wave of petty uptightness is really unbecoming of this board.

All my uptightness is just for you.
post #305 of 357
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Originally Posted by edinatlanta View Post
I would support this if it didn't mean I would be immediately banned.
Well, you're certainly not the type of poster that springs to mind for me. There are certain members, if you pay attention to their post history, almost never post anything constructive, and really only ever post to start an argument about something someone else has posted. I am all for people expressing themselves, their opinions, and hell, even arguing from time to time, but there's a contingent, maybe 1% of posters, who suck the energy out of the forum every time they post..
post #306 of 357
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Originally Posted by JLibourel View Post
As for the complaints about misogyny, I suppose I am one of the worst misogynists in the forum. Frankly, how any man with any amount of experience with women cannot have a considerable streak of misogyny is absolutely beyond me! And remember, I was consorting with women long before many of you guys were even born!

It depends on what you mean by misogyny. It's one thing to comment about how women will drive you mad, empty your wallet, and waste your time. It's one thing to call them all crazy bitches when the moment is right.
But surely you can see it crosses a line into the territory of simple cruelty and shit-brained stupidity when a bunch of 20 year old virgins give each other e-high fives for rape chocking a bitch and then force feeding her birth control.
post #307 of 357
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post
All my uptightness is just for you.

post #308 of 357
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Originally Posted by Manton View Post
A&S had a bad reputation long before there was a Style Forum. The reasons for that were varied and centered mostly on its haughty customer service. My own experience lent support to the justice of that reputation.
There is a certain coldness ... or perhaps formailty. But today's service is downright warm compared to what it used to be.
post #309 of 357
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Originally Posted by iammatt View Post
Well, one of the big problems for me, as I have said on here before, is there is an obvious need among many people without direct experience to tear away at makers who have good reputations, not because they know any flaws of their work (though surely they exist,) but because they enjoy a good group gangbang session, and they like to directly tweak other members, like foo (or manton and whiney w/AS,) who are ripe for teasing and fun to tease. This pile on lets them be internet all stars, but what thoughtful person, having seen that, would have any interest at all in discussing experiences with makers they like, knowing that there is a high likelihood that this will happen. They would have to be crazy. This is the high school/bro aspect of MC that senior members engage in, and I think it is eventually a lot worse for the site than the MS bullshit, which I don't particularly like either.

Now, I know the response will be "so should we only fawn over things???" Of course not, but the difference is pretty obvious to anybody watching, just as much as the upside of the hype circle is to any observer.
This is why I'm rarely -- if ever -- serious in a direct manner.
post #310 of 357
Just wanted to comment and say Thank You for the ban on socks. Regardless of actual sock reports and the number of bannings, I think the idea that socks are no longer allowed will lead to a decrease in the level of mistrust and unhealthy cynicism about low-count posters. Plus, it takes the teeth out of the 'easy' response that someone is a sock or a troll. It won't flip overnight, but I expect it will trend that way, though, I'm afraid, there will be a lot more uptime for the mods on that front. Also appreciate the crack down on nudity. There's more than enough online. I have no comment on the DT affair; I really try to stay out of that warped world, but it takes all sorts, and despite the uptightness of which I am often accused, I'm all for libertarianism -- freedom to do as one's heart directs within a square bounded by the equal rights of others. And I don't feel that alterations to the mod policy that are well-considered and targeted to address specific problems will be to our detriment. Thanks guys.
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Originally Posted by kwilkinson View Post
Inside jokes/Inner Serkle stuff is funny, and should be encouraged b/c there's something about this site that really encourages some of us to be more than just "e-friends." That shouldn't be stifled. But when 8 out of 10 threads (even outside of DT) have no content at all and are full of layer upon layer of inside jokes that are impossible to navigate unless you've been here for months, then that's a problem. We need a way to get n00bs to feel like this is the kind of site where you can come in and be accepted and, to use our favorite analogy, grab a seat at the bar and toss a few back with new friends. It shouldn't just be all of the SF old-timers all in a big circle around the bar, blocking anyone else from even getting a beer.
Dude. You sound like a mod. ~ H
post #311 of 357
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Originally Posted by Huntsman View Post
Dude. You sound like a mod.

~ H
It feels dirty.
post #312 of 357
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Originally Posted by JLibourel View Post
I am quite amazed, having perused this lengthy thread, at what a bunch of authoritarian, uptight control freaks there are here. Why don't you guys migrate to AAAC? Now there's a clothing forum that has become pretty moribund largely because of authoritarian moderation. At least a large infusion of new blood would liven Andyland up somewhat.

Frankly, I enjoy the wild and wooly nature of SF. It is a large part of its charm. Take away the sexy babes and the irreverence and all that, and what are you left? Fabric weights, buttonhole stitching, spalla camica and stuff like that can get old mighty quickly.

As for the complaints about misogyny, I suppose I am one of the worst misogynists in the forum. Frankly, how any man with any amount of experience with women cannot have a considerable streak of misogyny is absolutely beyond me! And remember, I was consorting with women long before many of you guys were even born!

Wise words.

"Andyland"
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This thread just came to my attention. I hope you mods are still monitoring it. I've scanned much of the suggestions and proposals in this thread and I have to disagree with almost all of them. j and pretty much everyone are approaching this from exactly the wrong direction. Stop thinking of SF as a community and start thinking of it as a brand. For example, one of the mods mentioned that they were thinking of evolving SF into more of a "lifestyles" forum. This is exactly the wrong way to go. Rather than turning SF into a more general purpose forum and, thereby, sinking into the general background noise that is the internet, you should be seeking to sharpen the SF brand. SF became popular -- and drew posters like Manton, Dopey, RJ, Medwards, Vox and, yes, even Foo -- because it was the best place on the internet to discuss men's clothing. (I don't spend that much time in SW&D but I assume there is a similar dynamic there.) If you lose that focus, you blur your brand and lose the very thing that made you a success in the first place. You will also become harder to distinguish from thousands of other sites and will find it much more difficult to attract and hold the high-quality posters that were an integral part of SF's success. There are lots of ways to deepen and sharpen SF's focus. Manton is bored because he seldom comes across anything new and interesting here anymore. But if you were to ask him point blank, he would be the first to admit that there are huge areas about which he knows very little. I can offer a couple of examples of the kind of thing I am talking about from recent SF history. Operation Paprika comes to mind. There is an entire world of Central European shoemaking about which most people know very little. Vass gets a lot of discussion but there are unexplored worlds beyond that. Or consider things like leather goods. There has been inordinate discussion of big brands like Hermes but very little about smaller brands, some of which are true bespoke operations. I accidentally ran across this thread that discusses two I had never heard of but I am keen to explore, Peter Nitz and Ethan Koh. Perhaps Manton hasn't heard of them either -- but I am dead certain he will be very interested to if he has not. http://www.styleforum.net/showthread.php?t=75818&page=2 For another example, I do recall some slight discussions in the past about specific tailors in Italy. But there is huge, undiscovered area here for exploration. Even small Italian towns often have tailors and some of them are excellent -- yet the only name everybody really knows is Rubinacci. It is true that most of this stuff is for connoisseurs. But the high-value posters here are connoisseurs and the rest of us would like to be. SF already has the reputation of being the forum for connoisseurs of men's clothing. You should build and sharpen that reputation, not dilute it. Focussing on SF as a brand also helps you answer many questions on how best to moderate. You need to have sufficiently relaxed rules so that people feel comfortable and spontaneous. But posters and activities that dilute your brand need to be discouraged. AAAC provides an excellent object lesson in what and what not to do. Their sometimes heavy moderation discourages spontaneity but they allowed posters like Cruiser to dilute their brand by effectively mixing a late-middle-aged version of SW&D with their tailored mens's clothing forum. The point here is that the SF brand should not be managed to please the current set of posters but to preserve the SF brand. If you do it correctly, you will find that over time there is little conflict and that the posters you attract will be very pleased by your intelligent brand management. I don't say that this will necessarily be easy and some ideas may be impractical to implement. Obviously, it is more difficult for a bunch of english speakers to explore little known Italian tailors than it is to dicuss the current sales on Jermyn street. But, easy or not, this kind of thing is necessary if SF is to continue as the premier men's clothing site on the Internet.
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