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post #226 of 357
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Originally Posted by gladhands View Post
I would say that making fun of someone based on an ethnic stereotype counts as racism.

Perhaps, but making fun of someone based on an enthic stereotype not related to that person (except in the preferential choice of sandwiches) is just plain dirt-eating dumb.
post #227 of 357
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Originally Posted by NorCal View Post
Sure, but not racist. Just rude.

I guess my real problem is throwing the word racist around. In our culture racism is about the worst insult you can lob someone's way and I'm loath to over use it.

With you on tossing that word around but I think the worst insult you can give to someone these days is to accuse them of being "rich and selfish." YMMV.

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Originally Posted by gladhands View Post
I would say that making fun of someone based on an ethnic stereotype counts as racism.

I think that making fun of someone in this fashion is not ipso facto proof of racism. Again, YMMV, but I don't think the logic is there.

I think this thread has all made us realize that certain people see things differently and have different hot button issues. For instance, I think refering to a Gaellic descendant as a WASP shows you really have no fucking clue about history. I don't think it makes you racist though, just uniformed.

Maybe the take away is that while something might seem all in good fun to you it might upset someone else?
post #228 of 357
I hate it when people toss the racism moniker around, too. In fact though I reject that "racist" is the worst accusation you can level at someone. I know people like to act as though it is, but "murderer" and "rapist" are still up closer to the top of the list for me. But that post consciously threw in several racial elements, the purposes of which were to demean and belittle. (The stalkerish element to it was also downright sinister.) The intent seemed crystal clear to me. That makes it racist, IMO. CE brethren will know that I rarely stand on gladhands' side of things, but here we're shoulder to shoulder. That was a creepy, and racist, post.
post #229 of 357
It did seem to have a lot of venom behind it.
post #230 of 357
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Originally Posted by LA Guy View Post
I think that the type of discussion are quite different then they were in 2005, but I think that they are not less interesting. At least, that's my perception.

+10. I find interesting stuff everyday. Enough so that I can't get my actual work done.

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Originally Posted by SpooPoker View Post
However, I remember Sho'Nuff PM'ingme to tell me that snark was part of the hazing process, and to take it with a grain of salt.

I dont think I ever thanked you for that, Sho
. Thanks. You made me the man I am today.

+1 for Sho'nuff being a most gracious host. He was nice to me in a similar situation although completely different.

I vote for Sho being the official SF ambassador to n00bdom !



PS:
Manton: I don't post much in your threads or the threads you're engaged in as I don't have much value to add, but just wanted you to know that if I have a sartorial dilemma, I always do a search for your posts and try to find the answers to my questions. Usually works like a charm though you have 24,000 of them and it can be a bit of work to sift thru

Even if you leave, you'll still be a valuable resource to me and I'm sure a lot of the n00bs and semi-n00bs worldwide.

all for now.
post #231 of 357
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post
It did seem to have a lot of venom behind it.

And he's gone now, GR.
post #232 of 357
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Originally Posted by Vintage Gent View Post
Never having seen that thread when it first appeared, I'm not surprised it was Vox who "initiated" you. True, he contributed much to the forum and was never anything less than kind and polite to me. But this kind of behavior--snarky in-jokes, belittling the initial contributions from new members--was all too common from him. While I wish him well, I can't really say I'm sorry to see him go.

Kudos to you for sticking around. Someone with thinner skin might have been disposed to leave, and we would have been deprived of a valued member.

Well, I will say that at that moment, where I mustered up my strength to voice an opinion on a forum, I was a bit pissed to be told to go away. However, I did lurk for a few months before, so I knew it was something to be a part of. I just didnt want to get banned I had contests to create.

As for Vox, I would have to disagree with you. Im pleased to have been indoctrinated by Herr Sartoria.

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Originally Posted by F. Corbera View Post
You two are a charming couple.

Do you still have the animated version? It's more evocative of the champers.

You should meet us. We are a hoot.
post #233 of 357
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Originally Posted by FStyles View Post
PS: Manton: I don't post much in your threads or the threads you're engaged in as I don't have much value to add, but just wanted you to know that if I have a sartorial dilemma, I always do a search for your posts and try to find the answers to my questions. Usually works like a charm though you have 24,000 of them and it can be a bit of work to sift thru Even if you leave, you'll still be a valuable resource to me and I'm sure a lot of the n00bs and semi-n00bs worldwide. all for now.
yup. Despite the crap I occasionally heap on him, and several arguments he and I have had over the years behind the scenes, I completely agree with this. Way back in my noob days, long long long before I was The Internet Powerbroking Mod That Stands Before You Today, manton was exceptionally helpful to me as I worked my through half a dozen suiting disasters with random local tailors. He has continued to willingly and helpfully provide feedback to me on that kind of stuff to this day, and I totally appreciate it, and I know he has done the same for literally dozens of other members here as well, and we all totally appreciate this.
post #234 of 357
Another item from the list of Things That Probably Only Bother Me: Please stop threadjacking with private conversations that should be taken to PM. A few stray comments here and there are fine, but nobody wants to read pages and pages of inside jokes that have nothing to do with the thread topic. I find this practice more annoying than anything in DT because it's unavoidable.
post #235 of 357
It's not just you. And good point in that it's unavoidable, not solved by using the ignore function, etc.
post #236 of 357
Is this better or worse than people who quote 120 lines (preferably with 18 embedded 3M images), just to add one or two lines of their own at the bottom?
post #237 of 357
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Originally Posted by Redwoood View Post
Is this better or worse than people who quote 120 lines (preferably with 18 embedded 3M images), just to add one or two lines of their own at the bottom?

In TransMod I pointed out that any quoted images should have the img tag stripped out of them. I don't think anybody responded.
post #238 of 357
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Originally Posted by deadly7 View Post
In TransMod I pointed out that any quoted images should have the img tag stripped out of them. I don't think anybody responded.

There's probably a vb mod for that, but I don't think j wants to start adding stuff, especially since they're working on moving to another system altogether.
It's not so much that quoting images is bad per se, just that you should make sure that the ratio of new stuff added and old stuff quoted stays above a reasonable level.

These are the kinds of things that are difficult to codify and the last thing you want to start to enforce as a mod. But self-policing by concerned citizens can work in these cases, e.g. "Dude, do you have to quote the whole thing?", "Why don't you take this conversation to PM?"
Something like this can also quickly suck the fun out of a forum, so I usually stay quiet and endure the carpal tunnel in my scrolling finger..
post #239 of 357
This is just my opinion (obv) so do with it what you will.

IMO, porn or soft porn on SF = bad.

Never making real content contributions and just being full of idiocy and/or snark = bad

Never making any contribution other than bro-hood, misogyny, etc. = bad

Trolling/socks = bad

However, part of the fun of SF is that it has a certain edginess to it. Mod'ing or peer pressuring the edge away also = bad.

What I'm saying is, let's maybe tone down certain things that have become prevalent, but let's not change the overall character to that of white bread (racist!).
post #240 of 357
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post
Never making real content contributions and just being full of idiocy and/or snark = bad

Incorrect.
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