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post #61 of 76
gdl, nice split toe, that is certainly the same as mine.

i have a question though, how do you keep the antiqued brown color on yours like that even after multiple wears? mine seems to sort of discolor or flake off a little at the crease lines.
did you have that sort of problem with yours? also does yours also say 'vero cuoio' on the insole inside? just a nagging question i have to get answered!
post #62 of 76
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Originally Posted by diorshoe
i have a question though, how do you keep the antiqued brown color on yours like that even after multiple wears? mine seems to sort of discolor or flake off a little at the crease lines.
did you have that sort of problem with yours? also does yours also say 'vero cuoio' on the insole inside? just a nagging question i have to get answered!

I don't have that problem. I only use very light (or neutral) cream on it (no polish) and the antiquing shades seem to be sticking (so far)

I'll check the insole tonight
post #63 of 76
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Originally Posted by Tibo
Your assumption is a bit exaggerated. Black shoes are not as big a no-no on this forum as black suits. But it's true that a lot of the people posting here favour brown shoes.

I wear black shoes all the time with a suit, but if I had to have only one pair of shoes, they'd be brown, because black shoes with a casual outfit are a total no-no for me, while brown shoes with a suit are a splendid combination .

There are still a few voices such as mine around here who like the old fashioned "no brown in town" rule (Manton will disagree, I know). You will still hear the English commonly mention this old rule, and while Americans are more relaxed about wearing brown, or burgandy coloured shoes with a dark suit I am fairly strict about always wearing black shoes with a dark coloured suit. I agree that it would be wrong to be dogmatic about the "no brown in town" rule and I will wear brown shoes on hot summer days with a light coloured suit, with a navy blazer and grey flannel trousers, or casually. I know the antiqueing on a particularly beautiful brown shoe such as one from Kiton is "eye popping", but that is why I refuse to wear them with a suit. Discretion and understatement are far more preferable to having excessively attention-drawing shoes that fail to blend in with the suit. So in so far as we are sticklers to tradition in fact brown shoes with a dark suit are the footwear equivalent of a black suit. That said, I also agree with Manton - you can wear black suits if you really like them.

So for myself I stick to the rule:
Brown shoes=half dress
Black shoes=full dress
post #64 of 76
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Originally Posted by Sator
So for myself I stick to the rule:
Brown shoes=half dress
Black shoes=full dress

My own version of that rule:
Black shoes=boring; wear only when I have to
Brown shoes=stylish and elegant
post #65 of 76
I would have to have my black Ferragamo wingtips. Simply classic and I got them at a thrift store for $9.
post #66 of 76
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Originally Posted by gdl203
My own version of that rule:
Black shoes=boring; wear only when I have to
Brown shoes=stylish and elegant


Well then we are mostly in agreement.

You agree with me that black shoes are worn because one 'has' to. That means you know perfectly well that black shoes are more formal, more proper and more correct. You would only wear black shoes to a job interview or to a black tie event. It follows that brown shoes are necessarily less formal and hence more casual. That is what it means when I say:

Black shoes=full dress
Brown shoes=half dress

Where we diverge (hey it's OK if we dress differently!) is that I prefer to wear proper, understated and inconspicuously sleek black dress shoes with a dark suit and that brown shoes necessitate dressing down accordingly. I am merely stating the obvious when I say that black is more correct with a dark coloured suit.

I think you will all agree that there is a danger in prescribing formulas such as:

black shoes=ugly/boring=bad
brown shoes=beautiful=good

For a start there are other colours that may be preferable to frank shades of brown for wearing discreetly with a dark coloured suit, such as those which are close enough to black so as to look black unless they catch the light at the right angle eg aubergine/eggplant, dark green, midnight navy, and dark anthracite grey. Still, with any colour other than black you risk looking foppish and this arguably always represents a small compromise in dressiness. It may still count as 3/4 or 4/5 dress (if there was such a thing!), but never truly full dress (I am assuming that standard modern day time 'full dress' is the dark coloured lounge suit rather than morning dress).

I should also like to mention that I get the impression from my visits to the US that it is more acceptable in America to wear brown shoes with a dark suit, whereas wearing proper black shoes is more English. The preference for a brown shoe with a dark suit on this forum partially reflects the proportion of American forum members here.
post #67 of 76
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Originally Posted by Sator
I should also like to mention that I get the impression from my visits to the US that it is more acceptable in America to wear brown shoes with a dark suit, whereas wearing proper black shoes is more English. The preference for a brown shoe with a dark suit on this forum partially reflects the proportion of American forum members here.

I don't think anyone before accused me of dressing like an American...
Sator - I'm not sure where you've been in the US but your statement is very far from the truth. Black shoes are an overwhelming majority in business in the US. Brown shoes are a small minority and only on the foot of either foreigners living here (Italians, French...) or the most style-conscious and elegant dressers (like people on this forum).

I'm not going to debate brown vs. black shoes again - it's been done a million times. Wear what you like and stick to all the "rules" you want...
post #68 of 76
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Originally Posted by gdl203
I don't think anyone before accused me of dressing like an American...
Sator - I'm not sure where you've been in the US but your statement is very far from the truth. Black shoes are an overwhelming majority in business in the US. Brown shoes are a small minority and only on the foot of either foreigners living here (Italians, French...) or the most style-conscious and elegant dressers (like people on this forum).

I'm not going to debate brown vs. black shoes again - it's been done a million times. Wear what you like and stick to all the "rules" you want...

Yip I agree it's not worth picking an argument over.

But when I was in Boston recently I never saw so many brown shoes in all my life. Brown shoes and burgandy coloured shoes with suits. I thought hmmmm... how American! Maybe Bostonians are a different breed.
post #69 of 76
hey man, i love brown shoes.

I wish there was a tshirt with the logo, "I LOVE BROWN SHOES" on it so i can wear it to work, to a date, or to the clubs.






Gdl, did you get a chance to see if Vero cuoio was stamped near the toe inside your FAM split toe? sorry!, thanks though.
post #70 of 76
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Originally Posted by diorshoe
Gdl, did you get a chance to see if Vero cuoio was stamped near the toe inside your FAM split toe? sorry!, thanks though.

ooooh... I forgot
post #71 of 76
Either the JL Philip II in black (it could be worn with odd trousers and sportcoat through formal wear) or the JL Chapel in Parisian Brown Calf. I'd probably say to hell with formal events and go with the Chapel.
post #72 of 76
I'm torn between the EG 'Windermere' in black calf or the EG 'Chelsea' in dark oak.

I'll probably have quite a few sleepless nights should I really have to make that choice...

MtB
post #73 of 76
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Originally Posted by Sator
Well then we are mostly in agreement.
You agree with me that black shoes are worn because one 'has' to. That means you know perfectly well that black shoes are more formal, more proper and more correct. You would only wear black shoes to a job interview or to a black tie event. It follows that brown shoes are necessarily less formal and hence more casual. That is what it means when I say:

I would, and have, worn brown shoes to interviews (for director level positions) and they went perfectly well, I imagine others on the forum have done similarly, and I own quite a few more black shoes than others on this forum on a percentage basis (versus brown).

Obviously for a black tie event (if you're actually wearing a black suit/tie, brown shoes would be out of place, or even matte black ones, most likely.
post #74 of 76
oh well, gdl, i was so preoccupied here on forum past couple days about if vero cuoio is labeled on your fam split toe.


but it no problem , just let me know if you ever find out. if not, no worries!
post #75 of 76
gdl,
do you think you can let me know if 'vero cuoio ' is labeled on inside of your fam split toe.

sob.. sob...sniff.

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