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post #16 of 23
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My endocrinologist also swore that the brand name was more effective than the generic. I've always used Synthroid, it's not particularly expensive.
Its not exactly cheap either. Especially compared to the generic which can be had on the Walmart/Target $4 program.
post #17 of 23
How do you find out about these kinds of diseases? Does it show up in routine blood work during a checkup? Or did you tell your doctor that you're tired and you want him to run a special test?
post #18 of 23
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How do you find out about these kinds of diseases? Does it show up in routine blood work during a checkup? Or did you tell your doctor that you're tired and you want him to run a special test?

It's not a very elaborate blood test, but I don't know if it's a standard panel (I imagine not). Usually you find out by mentioning that you're tired or inexplicably gaining weight, or you have a particularly thorough doctor and they palpate the thyroid gland and find out that it's swollen.
post #19 of 23
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post
It's not a very elaborate blood test, but I don't know if it's a standard panel (I imagine not). Usually you find out by mentioning that you're tired or inexplicably gaining weight, or you have a particularly thorough doctor and they palpate the thyroid gland and find out that it's swollen.

it's not a standard panel. like you said, the doc has to suspect something is going wrong. my mother is hypothyroid as well and it really messes with you. she, and my family, noticed a dramatic change in her (for the better) after she started taking synthroid.
post #20 of 23
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NYR - talk with your DR about Synthroid vs. generic synthroid. There are quite a number of Endocrinologists who swear up and down that the generic is nowhere near as good as the brand. My Endo, who's on the national board of Endo's, says they've been lobbying the FDA to take levothyroxine off the market, sadly with little to no effect.
Actually, there's nothing wrong with generic levothyroxine. The problem is that generic levothyroxine is produced by various different sources, and although the dose may reportedly be the same, there is slight variation between different preparations of levothyroxine. So 100 mcg of generic levothyroxine from one source may have a slightly different effect than 100 mcg from a different source. The reason for this is that the method the FDA uses to determine bioequivalence with thyroid hormone replacements is flawed. They measure the level of T4 in the blood (which is what you are taking with levothyroxine), and as long as the levels fall within a certain range, they will consider two different sources of levothyroxine doses (say 100 mcg for example) "equivalent". It's a very pharmacological way of thinking about it, but it doesn't really work with hormones. If you take those same two 100 mcg doses of levothyroxine and measure the TSH levels (the brain's response to the thyroid hormone), you may end up with very different results indicating that the different preparations are not bioequivalent, despite both being labeled as 100 mcg. If cost is an issue (and these days it frequently is) generic levothyroxine is reasonable since most patients will have very minimal significant fluctuations. However, I think most of us prefer to use brand name
post #21 of 23
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How do you find out about these kinds of diseases? Does it show up in routine blood work during a checkup? Or did you tell your doctor that you're tired and you want him to run a special test?
Biopsy is the only way to definitively diagnose Hashimoto's. Blood tests can tell you if you're Hyper or Hypothyroid but can't single out the specific disease. There are a few other thyroid related diseases that can fuck with your thyroid hormone production as well.
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post
It's not a very elaborate blood test, but I don't know if it's a standard panel (I imagine not). Usually you find out by mentioning that you're tired or inexplicably gaining weight, or you have a particularly thorough doctor and they palpate the thyroid gland and find out that it's swollen.
Palpation is an excellent way to diagnose but most Internists don't go that far. Hell, a few Endo's don't even bother. Mostly because they're lazy.
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it's not a standard panel. like you said, the doc has to suspect something is going wrong. my mother is hypothyroid as well and it really messes with you. she, and my family, noticed a dramatic change in her (for the better) after she started taking synthroid.
Remember, you can be hyper without having the disease. I've been told that, in most cases where there is significant energy or weight problems, and the hormone levels are off anyway, its pretty standard to get a biopsy.
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Actually, there's nothing wrong with generic levothyroxine. The problem is that generic levothyroxine is produced by various different sources, and although the dose may reportedly be the same, there is slight variation between different preparations of levothyroxine. So 100 mcg of generic levothyroxine from one source may have a slightly different effect than 100 mcg from a different source. The reason for this is that the method the FDA uses to determine bioequivalence with thyroid hormone replacements is flawed. They measure the level of T4 in the blood (which is what you are taking with levothyroxine), and as long as the levels fall within a certain range, they will consider two different sources of levothyroxine doses (say 100 mcg for example) "equivalent". It's a very pharmacological way of thinking about it, but it doesn't really work with hormones. If you take those same two 100 mcg doses of levothyroxine and measure the TSH levels (the brain's response to the thyroid hormone), you may end up with very different results indicating that the different preparations are not bioequivalent, despite both being labeled as 100 mcg. If cost is an issue (and these days it frequently is) generic levothyroxine is reasonable since most patients will have very minimal significant fluctuations. However, I think most of us prefer to use brand name
This is fascinating, and something I didn't know, so thank you for explaining it. Do you by any chance know what the "range" qualifies as, e.g. .005 or .5?
post #22 of 23
The FDA uses T4 levels and measures AUC (area under the curve) and Cmax (maximum concentration) to determine the bioavailability of similarly dosed levothyroxine preparations. They allow variation in these measures of up to 12.5 to 25% in products before deeming them "bioequivalent". However, differences of this sort can produce fairly disparate results in the TSH.

If you knew that your generic was always coming from the same source, it really wouldn't be an issue. But the problem is if you go to Walgreens to pick up your levothyroxine, and they are now sourcing it from a different provider, there is the potential that your 125 mcg dose might not have quite the same effect it did in the past.

There has been a fairly united front by various national societies (ATA, AACE, Endocrine Society, etc) to convince the FDA to change how it determines bioequivalence. However, in practice I fairly infrequently see very significant issues with patients who are on generic levothyroxine, so if there is a cost issue I don't have a big problem if the patient wants to go on generic. If the patient has a history of thyroid cancer and we have to keep the TSH suppressed below a very specific target (without making them thyrotoxic), there is a narrower therapeutic window and I am less willing to agree to generic replacement....
post #23 of 23
About ten years ago I took Synthroid because of a hypo-thyroid problem. Synthroid helped my hypo-thyroidism, but I had to stop taking it due to one reason.... it gave me a lot of weird, irregular heart beats. I felt like I was going to have a heart attack.

Here's something to read about Synthroid.
side effects
http://www.drugs.com/sfx/synthroid-side-effects.html
more info
http://curezone.com/art/read.asp?ID=96&db=5&C0=842

I've done other things over the years to help my hypo. I didn't have Hashimoto's though, so sorry I can't help you there. I'm not saying you shouldn't take it. Just read as much as you can about it and look at all your options.
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