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post #31 of 52
I agree that neither is very good, but if pushed, I would recommend JAB. They have a better selection, and probably a little better quality. I am also annoyed at Men's Wearhouse television ads...that alone would be enough to keep me from purchasing from them. I have purchased one suit from Men's Wearhouse...complete garbage, but at the time I needed a suit immediately (weight loss issues) and felt I had no choice. I wore that suit once and threw it out. I have purchased, and continue to purchase, trousers from JAB. I am very hard on pants, and when you can pick up flannels at $39.00 on sale, that seems like reasonable value to me. If they last for a year or so I feel I've gotten my money's worth. My sport coats and suits are custom made by my tailor in Atlanta. I purchase the fabric from the best mills in England, and he provides the labor to craft the garment. Of course, my $39.00 JAB trousers can't hold a candle to my tailor made suit trousers...but then again, I didn't pay $400.00 for the trousers at JAB.
post #32 of 52
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Originally Posted by cartisdm View Post
Point taken. But a car enthusiast wouldn't recommend a Bently to a new driver. Along those lines, they wouldn't recommend a crappy Honda Civic. They would help steer a beginner to something that will suit them for where they're at. As that person progresses, they will grow and develop tastes by following the path of others. For instance, I really want to build my closet, but there's no way I can start throwing hundreds of dollars around for single items. I'd like to do that after I have something to work with. Kind of the idea of "cycling" out the worst thing in the closet as you get something newer (and better)
I certainly understand that things are tough for beginners who don't know what they want. But I'd suggest you figure out what style you like and then slowly collect pieces from eBay, sales, etc. A full-priced suit at Men's Wearhouse is as much as some much better garments are going for on eBay or the Buy and Sell section here. Mind you, it's much harder to find what you want searching online. If you must go to Men's Wearhouse then I'd suggest taking your suit to a tailor afterwords and having it cleaned up. I'm confident to say that everyone on here agrees that fit comes first and foremost. An ill-fitting Brioni does not make anyone stylish.
post #33 of 52
I am new around here, but I agree with everyone above.

This is my opinion of JAB.

JAB is also a good source of solid white, blue and other wrinkle free shirts. They have some nice suits there that you can sometimes get for buy one / get two free. They are never my first choice to wear but are very appropriate for a wide range of events. You can get a simple grey or navy suit there, and dress it up with a shirt from some place with a little more style.

If you can get three of their gold signature suits for the price of one, go for it. Three of these suits for around $800 is not bad. But make sure you really like all three, don't get one busted one just cause you can.

If you get the Corp. card, they will send you a ton of mail about promos. Wait for a really good one, then go to the store and have them hold the items that you want till the promo. The JAB near me seems to promote this service, not look down on it.

It is a good place to get a tuxedo (if the other option is to rent)

My JAB tux is 10 years old and still looks great. Wore it the last two weekends in a row.
post #34 of 52
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Originally Posted by cartisdm View Post
Point taken. But a car enthusiast wouldn't recommend a Bently to a new driver. Along those lines, they wouldn't recommend a crappy Honda Civic. They would help steer a beginner to something that will suit them for where they're at. As that person progresses, they will grow and develop tastes by following the path of others.

For instance, I really want to build my closet, but there's no way I can start throwing hundreds of dollars around for single items. I'd like to do that after I have something to work with. Kind of the idea of "cycling" out the worst thing in the closet as you get something newer (and better)

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Originally Posted by cartisdm View Post
Beginners don't know what they want. That's why they [we] ask questions.

understood, but none the less the only viable reason to shop at mw or jab is convenience and laziness.

i also do not have a fat bankroll, but i scour this forum, ask questions even if i think they are dumb and even thogh you take some heat for it you can learn a lot very quickly. i also take the time to go to sales at places like norstrom rack, i once picked up a pal zileri suit for $300, this is better and will last longer than three suits from either mw or jab. i buy stuff online from discount places and if something doesnt fit i send it back.

no one is saying you need to buy a "bentley" but if you really truly want to know how to look good its going to take time and effort and if youre willing to do it, for about the same money you would spend for crap you can have a nice respectable wardrobe
post #35 of 52
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Originally Posted by mlongano View Post
I agree that neither is very good, but if pushed, I would recommend JAB. They have a better selection, and probably a little better quality. I am also annoyed at Men's Wearhouse television ads...that alone would be enough to keep me from purchasing from them.

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Wait, so MW commercials bother you but you have no problem with the relentless by 6 get 10 free ads from JAB? The most annoying ad campaign in the history of the planet
post #36 of 52
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Originally Posted by graymerica View Post
I am new around here, but I agree with everyone above.


Welcome to Style Forum.

I now have hope.
post #37 of 52
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Originally Posted by Larson McCord View Post
Wait, so MW commercials bother you but you have no problem with the relentless by 6 get 10 free ads from JAB? The most annoying ad campaign in the history of the planet

Correction. The second most annoying after them incessant Progressive adverts!! Still your point is germane!
post #38 of 52
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Originally Posted by Larson McCord View Post
Wait, so MW commercials bother you but you have no problem with the relentless by 6 get 10 free ads from JAB? The most annoying ad campaign in the history of the planet
You're right, they are both very annoying...the Men's Wearhouse ad is a bit more personal since the owner has the audacity to make his statements in person.... ...the other part that bothers me is that Men's Wearhouse purports to be suit specialists...as such, the least they could do is carry a couple of brands that are decent. Their selection absolutely sucks. While JAB's quality isn't much better, their selection is halfway decent.
post #39 of 52
For the same price range, maybe also check out Paul Fredrick.

I got a suit from MW once on short notice for a job interview, and although the fabric is utter crap, it ended up fitting perfectly thanks to the store seamstress and a bit of luck. I ended up getting the job, so the return on the ~$300 investment was great, and I'd feel fine donating it to the local service league.
post #40 of 52
I appreciate the rest of you all chiming in with not quite as an aggressive attitude toward beginner's "cheap" taste. I know most of you are all seasoned clothing enthusiasts and I look forward to knowing a fraction of as much about clothing as you all do.

Another thing that seems to never get addressed is, at my age, it's tough to dress with such style! I know it may seem like a lame excuse, but a lot of my friends are still in college (or at least their mind/heart is). When we go out for a night around the city, I have to make a conscious effort not to "overdress" but still not throw style to the wind.

I would love to be able to vary my level of dressiness based on the style/cut of my button down shirt, the slacks (or nice jeans) and my coat or sport jacket. Unfortunately, when my peers wear a t-shirt, jeans, and crappy shoes I look like a douche no matter what!

Oh well...they'll get used to my style someday...
post #41 of 52
FWIW, here is what I did (and I'm on a budget, too):

1. I signed up to receive catalgues from Brooks Brothers, TM Lewin, Charles Tyrwhitt, and Hilditch and Key. BB, H&K, and CT are, IMO, more classically styled clothing lines (as opposed to being "in-fashion", i.e., they will never go out of style), whereas Lewin is trendier. This way, I got ideas for different looks for different seasons, I got exposed to the classical suiting patterns, and I decided what colours and styles I liked.

2. I paid attention to serious style discussions here (e.g., the merits of canvassing, Goodyear-welted vs. Blake-stitched shoes, button stances, etc.) - these discussion also frequently include photos, which gave me more ideas. I don't agree with every piece of received wisdom here, but the community is knowledgeable, and the only inital investment you need to make is time.

3. I got my measurements taken by a tailor (so I could buy off the Net with confidence).

4. I shopped. So far I've bought five suits off EBay (all 100% wool or linen, minimum standard being what SF would probably consider mid-grade or "acceptable"), and I've had them tailored to fit me well. I get compliments. Some of my suits were also BNWT, and I never paid more than $100 for any of them - so compare that value-for-money proposition against Men's Wearhouse.

5. Shoes, shoes shoes. I educated myself about shoes. Stand a man wearing a $2000 Canali suit, $400 shirt, $200 tie and $250 Bostonians or Florsheims next to someone wearing a $400 TM Lewin suit, a $90 Harvie and Hudson shirt, a $50 Tyrwhitt tie, and a pair of $350 Crockett and Jones seconds, and I guarantee you that man #2 will look sharper. Better shoes can be recrafted, and you will save money over the longer term, and have shoes you actually enjoy wearing for a long time.

I would say over half of the money I've spent has gone into shoes (some purchased here). Hands down, this is where the biggest bang for your buck can be found.

Anyhow, that what I did, and I think I've benefitted from it.
post #42 of 52
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Originally Posted by Geoff Gander View Post
FWIW, here is what I did (and I'm on a budget, too):

1. I signed up to receive catalgues from Brooks Brothers, TM Lewin, Charles Tyrwhitt, and Hilditch and Key. BB, H&K, and CT are, IMO, more classically styled clothing lines (as opposed to being "in-fashion", i.e., they will never go out of style), whereas Lewin is trendier. This way, I got ideas for different looks for different seasons, I got exposed to the classical suiting patterns, and I decided what colours and styles I liked.

2. I paid attention to serious style discussions here (e.g., the merits of canvassing, Goodyear-welted vs. Blake-stitched shoes, button stances, etc.) - these discussion also frequently include photos, which gave me more ideas. I don't agree with every piece of received wisdom here, but the community is knowledgeable, and the only inital investment you need to make is time.

3. I got my measurements taken by a tailor (so I could buy off the Net with confidence).

4. I shopped. So far I've bought five suits off EBay (all 100% wool or linen, minimum standard being what SF would probably consider mid-grade or "acceptable"), and I've had them tailored to fit me well. I get compliments. Some of my suits were also BNWT, and I never paid more than $100 for any of them - so compare that value-for-money proposition against Men's Wearhouse.

5. Shoes, shoes shoes. I educated myself about shoes. Stand a man wearing a $2000 Canali suit, $400 shirt, $200 tie and $250 Bostonians or Florsheims next to someone wearing a $400 TM Lewin suit, a $90 Harvie and Hudson shirt, a $50 Tyrwhitt tie, and a pair of $350 Crockett and Jones seconds, and I guarantee you that man #2 will look sharper. Better shoes can be recrafted, and you will save money over the longer term, and have shoes you actually enjoy wearing for a long time.

I would say over half of the money I've spent has gone into shoes (some purchased here). Hands down, this is where the biggest bang for your buck can be found.

Anyhow, that what I did, and I think I've benefitted from it.

Shoes is something I'd like to invest in. I like the idea of getting something that won't go out with the latest fashion trend and I can have them repaired rather than replaced. I also don't have the opportunity to wear suits nearly as much as I'd like (usually only when I take my fiancee out for a nice meal. at work I'm already over dressed with a tie). Shoes, on the other hand, I feel like I could really express my style and wear them for all occasions. Before I make any purchases though, I really need to educate myself on what's worth investing in and what's not...
post #43 of 52
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Originally Posted by JLibourel View Post
JAB, definitely. You can get A-Es at 20% off if you have the Corporate Card (which just about anybody can get), and I think their Signature Gold suits are pretty fair values at 70% off (which they frequently are).

In all, I'd probably put JAB on about the same level for quality, etc., as Macy's, but JAB's goods tend to be more classic and conservative, if somewhat uninspired, stylistically.

In all, if I had to rate clothing chains (as far as menswear goes), I'd put Neiman-Marcus and Barney's at the top, with Saks a bit lower, followed by Bloomingdales and Brooks (very close, Brooks is more my taste), then Nordstrom, followed at a considerable distance by JAB and Macy's, then Penney's and MW at the bottom.

I cold step to you
With a fresh pack of gum
post #44 of 52
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Originally Posted by cartisdm View Post
Shoes is something I'd like to invest in. I like the idea of getting something that won't go out with the latest fashion trend and I can have them repaired rather than replaced. I also don't have the opportunity to wear suits nearly as much as I'd like (usually only when I take my fiancee out for a nice meal. at work I'm already over dressed with a tie). Shoes, on the other hand, I feel like I could really express my style and wear them for all occasions. Before I make any purchases though, I really need to educate myself on what's worth investing in and what's not...

I'm still youngish (30) and have made plenty of mistakes in throwing money down the drain with sub-standard purchases. I am in no way a "baller", but I agree with spending money on shoes and owning fewer quality pieces of clothing that can be paired in various ways over 16,000 pieces of H&M or other such junk.

I have become a BB sales junky and have only recently discovered this forum, but it has helped me a lot. Just remember to take people's opinions as just that--their opinions. You can pull off anything that you have the confidence to pull off.

Good shoes are the start. I have more shoes than my girlfriend and I am constantly acquiring more (currently have 3 sets in the mail--damn year-end sales!) Quality shoes will pay for themselves.

I also recommend you find a nice tweed sports jacket. This is a very versitile piece and can be paired with jeans or slacks and layered in different weather conditions.
post #45 of 52
Well in general the clothing of both stores goes very well with allen edmonds seconds so there you go.
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