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"The best pie you have ever tasted, my lords. Wash it down with Arbor gold and savor every bite. I know I shall."

 

A bit miffed they took Lord Manderly's Frey pies and gave them to Arya, then took his GOAT "The Mummers Farce/The North Remembers" speech and gave it to a 12 year old girl. I guess no one in the show really knows who he is... but he's such a great character. Maybe take all the pointless scenes with Missendy and her friend-zoned worm and flesh out actual characters. 


it's funny how they do shuffle some of the great speeches. but at least the writers recognize em and find a way to get em in. 

 

my favorite speeches from the books are the Khal's true oath and septon Meribald's broken man confession. i think they both got in the series somehow.

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I've had pot pies before, yes, but never a meat pie that is more dense and substantial.
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The KitN scene was poorly done.

 

There's a part of me that thinks they hired a Manderly, then seeing what the she-cub could do (and sensing she would be a crowd pleaser), gave her the speech. If not, why even have Manderly? The speech was truncated and had little power when compared to the book.

 

Why would these lords follow a bastard who abandoned his oath and nearly lost the battle? Especially when there's a legitimate heir sitting beside him. If anything they would be clambering over each other to marry Sansa.

 

Why would Dorne and Highgarden sail to Meeren (leaving their territory undermanned) only to announce and sail back? Surely it would be better to stay in place and grieve with Cersei (no one knows who torched the sept) then turn their cloaks at the last moment. That seems a more likely move from the QoT.

 

Tommen scene was just fucking stupid. 

 

NYT had an interesting article this morning saying that it had finally become a TV show: faster, simpler and more crowd-pleasing. Or piss in the face of anyone who likes the books.

 

lefty 

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Nice to see that fossil lefty is still signing his posts as if he's writing a letter. I bet he double clicks website links too.
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This my jam right here:


And if anyone is ever in Chicago, I highly recommend picking up a pie at https://pleasanthousebakery.com/ (they are moving to a new location this month though...I will have to thoroughly taste test their product...you know...to ensure quality didn't suffer)

Whaaat? They're not next to Maria's anymore? Sad.
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^^ What do you mean?

 

lefty

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^^ What do you mean?

lefty

I think he means that Pleasant House Bakery isn't next to Maria's (whatever that is) anymore. It looks like it moved (and changed its name to Pleasant House Pub) this month.
Edited by VaderDave - 6/28/16 at 1:57pm
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Thanks for clearing that up!

 

lefty

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The KitN scene was poorly done.

There's a part of me that thinks they hired a Manderly, then seeing what the she-cub could do (and sensing she would be a crowd pleaser), gave her the speech. If not, why even have Manderly? The speech was truncated and had little power when compared to the book.

because he is a leader of likely strongest house in the north atm
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Why would these lords follow a bastard who abandoned his oath and nearly lost the battle?

most weren't there to witness it, they only know he won
and those he fought with hold him in very high esteem like you saw in his chat with Ramsay
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Especially when there's a legitimate heir sitting beside him. If anything they would be clambering over each other to marry Sansa.

true, but she did not want to do it when both Littlefinger and Jon suggested she should
Why would they not follow him? He won, he has support of the vale. Might makes right, occasionally bastards became kings in European history.
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Why would Dorne and Highgarden sail to Meeren (leaving their territory undermanned) only to announce and sail back? Surely it would be better to stay in place and grieve with Cersei (no one knows who torched the sept) then turn their cloaks at the last moment. That seems a more likely move from the QoT.

These were like 10 black sails for each blue or orange, so they might have sent 100ships tops
I don't think atm Lannisters have enough troops to hold KL, Casterly Rock and mount offensive on two houses at the same time.
Nothing wrong with them some of their troops with Danerys.
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NYT had an interesting article this morning saying that it had finally become a TV show: faster, simpler and more crowd-pleasing. Or piss in the face of anyone who likes the books.

I agree to some extent but last 2 episodes were great imo and they need to speed it up compared to former seasons since they have like 15 episodes to wrap it up. So sure it will have to be dumbed down a bit.
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Yes. That is what he means (although they are changing their name to Pleasant House Pub).

Marias Packaged Goods is a lovely little neighborhood bar with a great beer and cocktail list run by an old korean lady with a polish last name. Sounds like something you'd try to open in williamsburg 10 years ago, except it has been here for almost 30 under the current ownership.
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NYT had an interesting article this morning saying that it had finally become a TV show: faster, simpler and more crowd-pleasing. Or piss in the face of anyone who likes the books.

What irritates me is that all these big developments are clumsy, forced rehashes of things that've already happened in the series. Dany murders her opponents and steals their forces! (twice before, twice again). An army rides in to save the day at the last minute when all seems lost (twice before). A Lannister orchestrates the mass murder of his or her opponents. A reluctant Stark is named king with ominous overtones. Arya murders someone!

It's like Jar Jar Abrams ghost-wrote the season.
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because he is a leader of likely strongest house in the north atm
most weren't there to witness it, they only know he won
and those he fought with hold him in very high esteem like you saw in his chat with Ramsay
true, but she did not want to do it when both Littlefinger and Jon suggested she should
Why would they not follow him? He won, he has support of the vale. Might makes right, occasionally bastards became kings in European history.
These were like 10 black sails for each blue or orange, so they might have sent 100ships tops
I don't think atm Lannisters have enough troops to hold KL, Casterly Rock and mount offensive on two houses at the same time.
Nothing wrong with them some of their troops with Danerys.
I agree to some extent but last 2 episodes were great imo and they need to speed it up compared to former seasons since they have like 15 episodes to wrap it up. So sure it will have to be dumbed down a bit.

 

After the extended war, red wedding, torching of Winterfell and a year or so of Bolton rule, Stark forces are probably zero. A powerful name, but just a name and one that Snow doesn't share. Pretty sure everyone knows that the only reason they're standing is because of the Vale knights. Who are there due to Sansa. Littlefinger seems like the guy who would let people know.

 

Whether Sansa wants it or not is irrelevant. The whole thing went down rather neatly and as Ata pointed out was a pale repeat of Rob's crowning. Snow looks whipped and hardly the stuff of leadership. And I'm not sure where he gets this fearsome rep. No one cares about the wall. Hell, even the maesters had no idea Mormont was dead.

 

One sail or 1000, it seems bizarre that one of the top schemers in the land would do something so obviously amateurish. Now the Lannisters have the opportunity to marshall their forces and possibly turn some of Highgarden's lesser houses. The whole series has been about people lying, houses turning and never trusting anyone. It also throws the scale off balance. On one side you have what's left of Lannisters, Freys and a few lesser houses; on the other there's the Unsullied, Dothraki, Iron Islanders, Highgarden, Dorne and three fucking dragons. The north and vale holding pat for now. Gee, who's going to win?

 

So they'll have Dany run roughshod over Cersei in two or three episodes then turn north to combine forces with Jon to fight the WW. Kind of takes the tension away.

 

After the dopey Tommen death, it's not possible to dumb it down any more.

 

 

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What irritates me is that all these big developments are clumsy, forced rehashes of things that've already happened in the series. Dany murders her opponents and steals their forces! (twice before, twice again). An army rides in to save the day at the last minute when all seems lost (twice before). A Lannister orchestrates the mass murder of his or her opponents. A reluctant Stark is named king with ominous overtones. Arya murders someone!

It's like Jar Jar Abrams ghost-wrote the season.

 

True.

 

lefty

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What do you think about this theory? http://www.thisisinsider.com/who-is-rhaegar-targaryen-on-game-of-thrones-2016-6 I would not be suprised if the Denearys would marry Jon :P

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Jon Snow did not abandon his oath.

The oath specifically says that his watch ends at his death.

He died.

His watch is ended. He fulfilled his oath.


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Why would these lords follow a bastard who abandoned his oath and nearly lost the battle? Especially when there's a legitimate heir sitting beside him. If anything they would be clambering over each other to marry Sansa.
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NYT had an interesting article this morning saying that it had finally become a TV show: faster, simpler and more crowd-pleasing. Or piss in the face of anyone who likes the books.

Seems to me like they had to, unless they wanted to go 12 seasons. Even at this point, there are still a lot of loose ends to tie up in 2 seasons. Overall, I agree, though. The complexity of the books is totally gone. There's none of that intrigue of "who's the one actually pulling the strings and what's his or her goal?" that's throughout the books.* Then again the subtlety is obviously lost on a lot of TV watchers that need to be spoon-fed. (Case in point: people who think Ned screwed his sister.)

* Book spoilers (Click to show)
Like the "oh shit!" moment when Varys kills Kevan and Pycelle. I think they were going for that on the show when Varys shows up in Dorne, but it didn't have the same impact at all.

Edited by Van Veen - 6/28/16 at 8:53pm
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