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i have to say, jamie seemed surprisingly helpless in that scene. even in captivity he always acted above his captors and was always working an angle. this time, he just seemed to have lost all hope, and he seemed completely surprised about losing his hand. he did not seem to see that, or any real injury, coming at all.

He was surprised. For all his skills, Jaime has never been as intelligent as Tyrion.
 

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scurvyfreedman - thanks for the rundown. my head is kind of spinning with all these characters and their stories, but very cool stuff.
 

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Don't forget--his story worked at first.

After his story saved Brienne, he got cocky and figured he could get an escape attempt ready to go.

My friend was trying to argue that there is no way his hand could be cut off like that with one stroke. I think its pretty damn reasonable. A trained warrior with a full wind up and swing should put down plenty of force. They didn't have fancy japanese chef's knives here...that thing was long and wide and the steel was probably quite thick at the spin. Should easily weigh several pounds and I would guess that every northern warrior (especially Bolton's crew) is pretty fluent in the use of a sharpening stone and would keep their huge knives sharpened as well as their swords.
 

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My friend was trying to argue that there is no way his hand could be cut off like that with one stroke. I think its pretty damn reasonable. A trained warrior with a full wind up and swing should put down plenty of force. They didn't have fancy japanese chef's knives here...that thing was long and wide and the steel was probably quite thick at the spin. Should easily weigh several pounds and I would guess that every northern warrior (especially Bolton's crew) is pretty fluent in the use of a sharpening stone and would keep their huge knives sharpened as well as their swords.


There's also no such thing as flying dragons...
 
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scurvyfreedman - thanks for the rundown. my head is kind of spinning with all these characters and their stories, but very cool stuff.


Honestly it might be backstory that never comes out...That's exactly the kind of thing they keep cutting in order to make the story understandable. Might not be worth adding another family into the mix when a hybrid/explanatory character can do.

Mild book info (no plot points):
There aren't really very many Daynes mentioned at all in the book. Only one more of importance that hasn't come up yet. The one that hasn't been introduced yet (and won't for like...2 more years)...I wouldn't be suprised if they cut him out or hybridize him. His story is yet to play out completely in the books so he may turn out to be more important, but right now his family lineage has no real bearing on the story. Its not even clear how he is related to Arthur Dayne (the wiki family tree is filled with half "Unknown Dayne" and is not fully connected).

On the topic of hybrid/explanatory characters, I think I quite like what they have done with Ros. I think she has been helpful as a recurring character to help the non-book-reading audience piece together some of the subtleties of kings landing.
 

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The books are even more confusing.

Not sure why the Martells' are held in high esteem.

As I remember, they largely stay out of things. Doran's son is a bit of a tool. Oberyn is largely lunchbag letdown. The Mrycella incident was a debacle.

Sand snakes were cool, I guess, but what am I missing?

^ The actress who plays Roz has got to be sleeping with one of the execs. She's nearly in every episode.

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The books are even more confusing. Not sure why the Martells' are held in high esteem.
As I remember, they largely stay out of things. Doran's son is a bit of a tool. Oberyn is largely lunchbag letdown. The Mrycella incident was a debacle. Sand snakes were cool, I guess, but what am I missing?
^ The actress who plays Roz has got to be sleeping with one of the execs. She's nearly in every episode. lefty
Well, they are one of the Great Houses of Westeros and a family that rules a kingdom, no? The current king might be crippled from his poor eating habits but he's pretty damn shrewd it would seem. Historically they were the only kingdom Aegon the Conqueror did not in fact conquer and stayed a sovereign for two centuries, again, the only kingdom to do so. Really, no mean feat.
 

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Don't forget--his story worked at first.
After his story saved Brienne, he got cocky and figured he could get an escape attempt ready to go.


i was pretty shocked by what he was doing. he had just got there, and yeah he got them to hold back on brienne, but it seemed early to make a play on a guy he barely knew at that point. he played his hand (shameless pun) too quick, and payed for it.

also, could someone tell me more about these people who have jamie and bri. who do they fight for, what their prerogative is....as well, the same with the people who have arya.

thanks!

My friend was trying to argue that there is no way his hand could be cut off like that with one stroke. I think its pretty damn reasonable. A trained warrior with a full wind up and swing should put down plenty of force. They didn't have fancy japanese chef's knives here...that thing was long and wide and the steel was probably quite thick at the spin. Should easily weigh several pounds and I would guess that every northern warrior (especially Bolton's crew) is pretty fluent in the use of a sharpening stone and would keep their huge knives sharpened as well as their swords.

i thought it seemed quite reasonable.

There's also no such thing as flying dragons...


:laugh: YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH RIGHT NOW!
 

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no the brave companions have been recast as bolton's men (one of robb stark's bannermen, the guys who now have winterfell).

Arya is captured by the brotherhood without banners, who were sent by ned stark to capture the mountain before the war broke out, and are on neither side of the war.
 
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A lot of discussion about **** and acts of attempted **** in this ep.

By the way, I enjoyed how the translator never relayed the slaver's exact words making sure to avoid "curve of her ass" and "slut".
 

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The books are even more confusing.

Not sure why the Martells' are held in high esteem.

As I remember, they largely stay out of things. Doran's son is a bit of a tool. Oberyn is largely lunchbag letdown. The Mrycella incident was a debacle.

Sand snakes were cool, I guess, but what am I missing?

lefty
 

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Honestly it might be backstory that never comes out...That's exactly the kind of thing they keep cutting in order to make the story understandable. Might not be worth adding another family into the mix when a hybrid/explanatory character can do.

Mild book info (no plot points):
There aren't really very many Daynes mentioned at all in the book. Only one more of importance that hasn't come up yet. The one that hasn't been introduced yet (and won't for like...2 more years)...I wouldn't be suprised if they cut him out or hybridize him. His story is yet to play out completely in the books so he may turn out to be more important, but right now his family lineage has no real bearing on the story. Its not even clear how he is related to Arthur Dayne (the wiki family tree is filled with half "Unknown Dayne" and is not fully connected).

On the topic of hybrid/explanatory characters, I think I quite like what they have done with Ros. I think she has been helpful as a recurring character to help the non-book-reading audience piece together some of the subtleties of kings landing.


Edric "Ned" Dayne is an important character in so far as what he relays to Arya about he and Jon Snow being Milk Brothers. They were obviously both wet nursed by the same woman in Dorne, someone in the service of House Dayne. He was nicknamed for Ned despite Ned having "killed" his uncle. So, Ashara may not be dead after all. That may be cover for something else. Also, the Daynes may know more about Jon Snow's true parentage/Tower of Joy/Bed of Blood/R+L=J

Unfortunately spelling some of these things out in the show make it too obvious. When it's subtle between the lines it's a little better hundreds of pages apart, it's more of a puzzle.

I don't think Young Lord Edric has been cast, but if he has it's next episode that he'll appear because the Hound and Arya will be meeting Lord Beric.
 

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