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Arya's storyline from A Feast For Crows is incredible. Brienne's is long winded and could use some serious editing, but the Septon's monologue about deserters is beautiful and I hope it makes it into the show. Also, the end of Brienne's story is a hell of a pay off.

In addition to the many chapters of Brienne walking, there are a lot of redundant Jaime and Cersei chapters. I really think that GRRM just had too much mental space invested in these characters and wanted to say everything about them that he had considered. In particular, I think he wanted for Cersei to not necessarily be redeemed, the way Jaime was, but humanized. And that was no easy task at this point.

If that was the intent, it failed miserably, at least for me.
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I love Jaime, I think he's one of the best characters going right now, but Cersei is awful. Her POV chapters were some of the worst in the series and I continue to hope that she will die a sudden death. Previously, she was scheming, evil and sort of dangerous. When Martin started showing what was going on in her head, she just became tiresome. Not an improvement.

I also thought the payoff on Brienne was underwhelming. In fact, I had to check the SOIAF Wiki to make sure I hadn't forgotten anything worthwhile about it. Which is too bad, I rather liked her initially, but there just doesn't seem to be much story there. Perhaps I'll be wrong; that would be nice.
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The big wench is ok.  A little short on teeth thanks to the Brave Companions but ok as far as wenches go

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i hope Cersei dies a slow and painful death filled with torture and pain. as much as he disgusts me, i would be glad to let the bastard have some time with her. then someone can do the same to him.
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I figured out something about Joffrey

 

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 In Feast of Crows during Tywin's funeral, Tommen ran out because he couldn't stand the smell.  Jaime went after him and talked to him softly and told him to go away on the inside

"I used to go away inside sometimes," he confessed "when Joffy.." (page 144 I think) but then they were interrupted by Cercei

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I think Joffrey used to rape Tommen regularly.  He was always contemptuous of him and cruel for no reason and had no real interest in girls.


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I also figured out something about Joffrey

 

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he's a dick.

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Re: Joffrey
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he's one of those characters that you know GRRM had kill off because he became so reprehensible that you will lose a lot of your audience if he doesn't get what's coming to him
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he's one of those characters that you know GRRM had kill off because he became so reprehensible that you will lose a lot of your audience if he doesn't get what's coming to him

im on board with this.
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I figured out something about Joffrey
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 In Feast of Crows during Tywin's funeral, Tommen ran out because he couldn't stand the smell.  Jaime went after him and talked to him softly and told him to go away on the inside

"I used to go away inside sometimes," he confessed "when Joffy.." (page 144 I think) but then they were interrupted by Cercei
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I think Joffrey used to rape Tommen regularly.  He was always contemptuous of him and cruel for no reason and had no real interest in girls.
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I think it was more likely to be just general abuse/torment. No particular reason to think it was rape. I don't recall the book-Joffrey having the streak of sexual sadism that they gave him in the show
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I think it was more likely to be just general abuse/torment. No particular reason to think it was rape. I don't recall the book-Joffrey having the streak of sexual sadism that they gave him in the show

 

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People only go away on the inside during abuse, usually cases of sexual abuse.  Martin tends to purposely make vague references to abuse rather than spell it out.

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People only go away on the inside during abuse, usually cases of sexual abuse.  Martin tends to purposely make vague references to abuse rather than spell it out.
Wait, what? I don't disagree with your interpretation in this particular circumstance. But is there some basis for the broad generalization?
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They have cast Sherlock's brother from the BBC Sherlock. Not sure what for.

Any ideas? Sounds like there are fan theories that he might be Mace Tyrell, but I think with grubby enough makeup, he could be a passable iron islander.

I doubt he's playing Mace. He's a minor character in the book and probably not more than a bit part in the show. Doran Martell maybe?
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If that was the intent, it failed miserably, at least for me.
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I love Jaime, I think he's one of the best characters going right now, but Cersei is awful. Her POV chapters were some of the worst in the series and I continue to hope that she will die a sudden death. Previously, she was scheming, evil and sort of dangerous. When Martin started showing what was going on in her head, she just became tiresome. Not an improvement.

I also thought the payoff on Brienne was underwhelming. In fact, I had to check the SOIAF Wiki to make sure I hadn't forgotten anything worthwhile about it. Which is too bad, I rather liked her initially, but there just doesn't seem to be much story there. Perhaps I'll be wrong; that would be nice.

Yeah I don't think you are supposed to think that Cersei is anything but awful, but the idea is that she has reasons for the things she does. In the first couple of books it's easy to see her as an arbitrary villain devoted to evil.
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In a sense, she is only what her circumstances have made her. She's been very good at what she does until this point, but after Joffrey dies she goes off the rails. Her chapters here have a lot in common with Catelyn's chapters in the first three books, in the sense that her instincts as a mother to protect her child at all costs lead her to foolish decisions. Her paranoia and desperation take over and she makes a series of gross miscalculations (trusting the Kettleblacks and the idiotic Stokeworths, underestimating the Tyrells) that lead to her downfall. None of this justifies her actions, but you get a sense of where she's coming from.
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Wait, what? I don't disagree with your interpretation in this particular circumstance. But is there some basis for the broad generalization?

 

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Not really, just a feeling I get after previously skipping over other surprisingly subtle revelations such as the Rat King story as it related to Wyman Manderly and the three "meat" pies

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Yeah I don't think you are supposed to think that Cersei is anything but awful, but the idea is that she has reasons for the things she does. In the first couple of books it's easy to see her as an arbitrary villain devoted to evil.
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In a sense, she is only what her circumstances have made her. She's been very good at what she does until this point, but after Joffrey dies she goes off the rails. Her chapters here have a lot in common with Catelyn's chapters in the first three books, in the sense that her instincts as a mother to protect her child at all costs lead her to foolish decisions. Her paranoia and desperation take over and she makes a series of gross miscalculations (trusting the Kettleblacks and the idiotic Stokeworths, underestimating the Tyrells) that lead to her downfall. None of this justifies her actions, but you get a sense of where she's coming from.
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Plus the obvious cock envy

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I doubt he's playing Mace. He's a minor character in the book and probably not more than a bit part in the show. Doran Martell maybe?

 

He's not Mace, Mace has been cast. Roger Ashton-Griffiths.

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