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Originally Posted by scurvyfreedman View Post

True. And that guy and his wife are proofreading WoW right now. They don't get paid at all, but get to read the story years in advance of us peons.
He's the guy who maintains the wiki and westeros.org.
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Yeah, like scurvy said, the dude gets to read the manuscripts as they are written, years ahead of everyone else, so it's basically his dream.

he is a moron. that is called high level consulting for a multi million (billion?) dollar empire and he is being fucking used if he is not being paid. what a nerd idiot. yeesh.
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They really play up the political animal side of Margaery in the TV show. I quite like it, really. She's not as (obviously) bold and Machiavellian in the books.

interesting. i love how she is being played in the show. since here first scenes with renly.
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he is a moron. that is called high level consulting for a multi million (billion?) dollar empire and he is being fucking used if he is not being paid. what a nerd idiot. yeesh.

It's GRRM who sent him a few chapters the first time as a gift- I think he then started being GRRM's personal fact checker. I'd agree if he were doing it for the publisher, but for the author, it's kind of a favor for a favor.

There was also an issue one time about a mare becoming a stallion or vice versa. He's read each book over a dozen times, so he far surpasses me in terms of attention to detail.

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interesting. i love how she is being played in the show. since here first scenes with renly.

She's been really good and very well fleshed out on the show. In the books she's a fourth level character at best with no Tyrell getting too much play, but the QoT getting some key scene stealing work and Mace Tyrell getting into a lot of scenes, but not a ton of action. She might be very political behind the scenes, but if so it's at her grandmother's control, because she's about twice the age of the book character on the show.
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She is one of the best things on the show. 

 

lefty

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Originally Posted by scurvyfreedman View Post

It's GRRM who sent him a few chapters the first time as a gift- I think he then started being GRRM's personal fact checker. I'd agree if he were doing it for the publisher, but for the author, it's kind of a favor for a favor.

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Originally Posted by scurvyfreedman View Post

True. And that guy and his wife are proofreading WoW right now. They don't get paid at all, but get to read the story years in advance of us peons.

He's the guy who maintains the wiki and westeros.org.

Proof of this? Blizzard has a historian on staff dedicated to this sort of thing to keep all the Lore straight in games.
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Originally Posted by javyn View Post

This explains it quite nicely...

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/04/game-of-thrones-tsarnaev/?cid=7393314

Theon's going to wish he was dead pretty soon heh.

What that article seems to not string together, while arguing against torture, is The Bastard won Theon's trust by killing several men.
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Ned is not one sided. He is also a mixed character.

Just using things revealed in AGoT and ACoK, trying to avoid later reveals/theories-

Ned brings a bastard into his house immediately upon getting married; refuses to tell Catelyn anything about Jon Snow's origin. While they ruined Cat on the show two episodes ago (among other character destruction), she was miserable the entire time knowing that Ned probably loved someone else and may have secretly wanted to be with that other woman and not her. Nobody other Lord is known to have kept a bastard in his household treated equal to his high born children. Perhaps as a high level servant, but most just provided for the bastard or perhaps didn't completely outside of the household. Obviously Dorne is a little different.

He made an oath to Lyanna ("Promise me Ned.") But he had already made an oath to Catelyn. He's an oath breaker himself.

Ned didn't want Dany killed. Didn't want Joffrey, Marcella, and Tommen put to death by Robert. That's all very honorable. They were all children. Although on the other side Daenerys was married and was considered a woman grown by Westerosi law. Her death, while tragic, would probably save lives.

Ned also sent Lord Beric and a host to put Gregor Clegane to death and declared Tywin to be outside of the King's Peace. He could have stopped short of that, because he essentially started the war with Tywin at that point.

Ned also told something to Ashara Dayne which caused her to throw herself from her tower to her death.

Ned is all about Honor, but he's not all good. Just like Stannis is all about Justice, but he's not all good. On the show they make him considerably worse, and weaker.

And, regarding Jaime's incest, the Targaryens married brother to sister for generations. It was not outside of the norm for highborn Westrosi. Meanwhile, part of the blood feud in the Blackfyre Rebellion was two half-brothers fighting over a half-sister.

 

Ned only married Catherine because his older brother was killed by Aerys.  He takes his duties very seriously.  And although he had something going on with Ashara Dayne, I really doubt Jon is his son...or a bastard at all. 

 

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It makes more sense that Jon is his nephew: Lyanna and Rhygar's son.   Rhygar was a Targaryen and they believed and practiced in having multiple wives so I bet they were married in secret.  Ned would have had to keep that a secret from his good friend Robert since

  • Robert hated Targaryens with a passion
  • Lyanna was the love of his life

 

He would have publicly killed baby Jon

 

 

Incest was only normal for Targaryens, not anyone else

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Peter Drunklage!

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Proof of this? Blizzard has a historian on staff dedicated to this sort of thing to keep all the Lore straight in games.

http://www.vulture.com/2013/04/george-rr-martin-fans-have-three-meals-and-drinks.html
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Ned only married Catherine because his older brother was killed by Aerys.  He takes his duties very seriously.  And although he had something going on with Ashara Dayne, I really doubt Jon is his son...or a bastard at all. 


Incest was only normal for Targaryens, not anyone else

I'm almost positive that Ashara Dayne was in love with Brandon Stark. Although Ned shared a dance with her at the Tourney at Harrenhal, it was only after Brandon spoke to her. Ned was the plain brother. Brandon was the good looking, more charismatic brother. He was the wild wolf. Ned was the quiet wolf.

Plus if the story of Ashara having a stillborn daughter is true, my suspicion is that it would be Brandon's, not Ned's. Brandon was already cheating on Catelyn before their wedding, whereas Ned was not passionate.
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Wasn't there some element to the bastard running from someone? He raped/killed someone and was being hunted down, so he took on the persona of Reek and let Reek be killed in his place.

Wasn't that how he ends up in winterfell? While the Starks are still in place, they hunt down the bastard and throw his stinky pet into the cells (except that the bastard is really his stinky pet). When Theon takes over winterfell, he sort of befriends the prisoner who eventually suggests killing the kids at the mill.

 

Yeah
 

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Ramsay and Reek were on the run.  Ramsay dressed Reek in his clothes and they killed "Ramsay" and captured "Reek".  The real Ramsay needed a new Reek and that's where weak minded Theon came in.  

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A quick ctrl-F of that article for warcraft shows 0 results. Sorry if I wasn't specific that was what I wanted to read about.
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I'm almost positive that Ashara Dayne was in love with Brandon Stark. Although Ned shared a dance with her at the Tourney at Harrenhal, it was only after Brandon spoke to her. Ned was the plain brother. Brandon was the good looking, more charismatic brother. He was the wild wolf. Ned was the quiet wolf.

Plus if the story of Ashara having a stillborn daughter is true, my suspicion is that it would be Brandon's, not Ned's. Brandon was already cheating on Catelyn before their wedding, whereas Ned was not passionate.


You can't cheat if you aren't married. 

 

So what do you think about Ned and Wylla? 

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You can't cheat if you aren't married. 

So what do you think about Ned and Wylla? 

Jon Snow was born after Robb Stark. Robb was conceived on the Catelyn's and Ned's wedding night before he left for battle.

Wylla was milk mother (wet-nurse) to both Robb and Ned Dayne. I don't think Ned would have known her early enough in the war to have a child with her and as I said, I don't think Ned would have violated his marriage vows, especially so early in the marriage.
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I believe in R+L=J.

I also believe the "Promise me Ned" vow he took was what caused him to deceive his wife and make her believe, along with everyone else, that he had fathered a bastard conceived after his wedding. The evidence is circumstantial, but somewhat detailed and sprinkled throughout.

Lyanna was in a bed of blood when Ned found her. That's been used other times to describe the birthing bed. Arya is described to look like Lyanna. Jon is described to look like Arya.

The other Stark children share more features with Catelyn. Targaryen traits are also recessive traits in the Westrosi genetics, so Starks would dominate them. No different than Barratheon's all have black hair, Targaryen's who marry the other Paramount families lose their Targaryen traits. Dornish may be the only more recessive group. So Jon Snow looks like a Stark, not a Targaryen.

Targaryens not only practiced incest, but also polygamy. I think Lyanna married Rhaegar. I think the affair started when Lyanna fought as the Knight of the Laughing Tree and Rhaegar found out and fell in love with her. See the story that Jojen and Meera told Bran before they got to the Wall. Lyanna was a great rider and practiced with swords and lances instead of lady activities. The Knight was small and had mismatched armor- stolen by Benjen, I believe. Benjen went to the Wall in the shame in what part he played in his sister running away with Rhaegar.

Jon is the Prince Who Was Promised; The Song of Ice and Fire; Azor Ahai reborn.

He will be born again (A Dragon awakened from stone) when his frozen body is burned by Melisandre in a pyre at the Wall. She has been looking for King's blood to awaken the dragon from the stone. Rhaegar's son has King's blood.

Melisandre keeps looking into her flames asking to see Azor Ahai and keeps seeing nothing but Jon Snow, because it's not Stannis, it's Jon she's asking to see.
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