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post #2446 of 4860
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no the brave companions have been recast as bolton's men (one of robb stark's bannermen, the guys who now have winterfell).

Arya is captured by the brotherhood without banners, who were sent by ned stark to capture the mountain before the war broke out, and are on neither side of the war.

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No, the Brotherhood without Banners have Arya

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post #2447 of 4860
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thanks!
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so factions of the same group have both jamie and arya?

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I'll add that the key here is a big simplification.

The dudes who cut off his hand in the show are doing it because he thinks he can buy away their northern loyalty. They don't care about the girl (were about to rape her until they thought she might be worth money) but Jamie is an escaped prisoner and represents everything they are fighting for. These guys aren't at the top so they aren't thinking about any political concerns or what Roose Bolton plans to do.

In the book, the hand is cut off for a political point. The guy who has them is a mercenary who changed sides away from the Lannisters (you do *not* do this if you want to live, so you had better be sure you choose the right side) in exchange for becomming lord of Harrenhal. He suspects that his new employers might turn back to the Lannisters which would hurt the chances of the North winning and hurt the chances of him living. To prevent this, he has Jaime's hand cut off in the hopes that it will piss off Tywin who will no longer welcome his employer's defection. This ploy doesn't actually work and as such, Jaime's hand is gone but the rest of the plot moves in the same direction it would have gone hand or no hand.

Since this is a lot to explain (especially since the character wasn't previously introduced as a part of team lannister), they opted to use this failed bribe as a way to get rid of Jaime's hand.
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very interesting. i really need to read these damn books.
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no the brave companions have been recast as bolton's men (one of robb stark's bannermen, the guys who now have winterfell).

Arya is captured by the brotherhood without banners, who were sent by ned stark to capture the mountain before the war broke out, and are on neither side of the war.

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They actually call themselves the King's Men. They are sworn to King Robert, although they realize he's dead. Their leader Lord Beric swore an oath to bring the Mountain to justice as ordered by Robert's Hand, and so they wish to fulfill that promise. Obviously, things have gone off the skids and the twists and turns of Lord Beric will be revealed in short order.

They also are on the side of the small folk, taking revenge against everyone who harms them, especially the Lannisters because the Brotherhood are in the Riverlands and the Lannisters through Gregor and his men are reeking havoc.
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very interesting. i really need to read these damn books.

No shit bro, can't follow a fucking thing.

To illustrate how pathetic I am (this is real, ok?):

The huge chick, the hot ass khallisi, the paralyzed kid, joffrey, the dude from the wire, the chick that looks like a boy, the fat fuck following those dudes behind the wall, the red head ice chick, Winterfell mom, Winterfell gray guy that got tortured, red head witch chick, the midget (Lanaster?), the blond queen brother fucker, the sister fucker (Jamie? the one now w/o hand), Winterfell dude that imprisoned his mom with pretty hot wife, Jofferey's hot ass spread tit fiance, the king dude that lost that fucked the red witch, khallisi's right hand man that wants to boan her, leader of those behind the wall knights, the ghay king that was murdered, The Lanaster older guy (shrimps dad).

I swear this is real. I honestly cannot remember a single characters name. Man, fuck this show. Makes you stupid.
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No shit bro, can't follow a fucking thing.

To illustrate how pathetic I am (this is real, ok?):

The huge chick, the hot ass khallisi, the paralyzed kid, joffrey, the dude from the wire, the chick that looks like a boy, the fat fuck following those dudes behind the wall, the red head ice chick, Winterfell mom, Winterfell gray guy that got tortured, red head witch chick, the midget (Lanaster?), the blond queen brother fucker, the sister fucker (Jamie? the one now w/o hand), Winterfell dude that imprisoned his mom with pretty hot wife, Jofferey's hot ass spread tit fiance, the king dude that lost that fucked the red witch, khallisi's right hand man that wants to boan her, leader of those behind the wall knights, the ghay king that was murdered, The Lanaster older guy (shrimps dad).

I swear this is real. I honestly cannot remember a single characters name. Man, fuck this show. Makes you stupid.

You forgot Ser Grandfather - aka Barristan Selmy- the old knight who saved the hot ass kahllisi (sic) and who is too old to boan her.

So imagine there's this fat lord from the North who pays tribute to Bran (the paralyzed kid) for about 5 pages in the second book and then is referred to by someone reporting to the blond queen brother fucker in the fourth book, who appears again in the fifth book and is totally awesome. And, without reading them back to back again, you're supposed to remember who he is when he shows up in the fifth book.

There are over 1000 named characters- most of whom appear, many of whom are just referenced over the course of the five books. And, in one city where the hot ass khallisi (sic) is for a long time everyone's name has a Z and a Y, but they all are pretty much spelled the same. Try to keep that straight.

It's why I'm planning to start reading AGoT again about five-seven months before the next release so I can finish just in time to read Winds of Winter with all of the characters in my mind.
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that is dedication.
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i was pretty shocked by what he was doing. he had just got there, and yeah he got them to hold back on brienne, but it seemed early to make a play on a guy he barely knew at that point. he played his hand (shameless pun) too quick, and payed for it.

also, could someone tell me more about these people who have jamie and bri. who do they fight for, what their prerogative is....as well, the same with the people who have arya.

thanks!
i thought it seemed quite reasonable.
laugh.gif YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH RIGHT NOW!

Jamie called many things right and that gave him confidence.

Hamie told bri to kill the traveler they ran into before he sold their whereabouts. Bri didn't kill him and got their whereabout sold to BC.

Jamie also told Bri that BC will rape and kill her. And that came true again.
post #2454 of 4860
Where's Blackfyre been during this discussion????
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Please keep in mind the nature of the conjecture. "Could" not "would." If folks do not think Loras "could" beat Jaime that's fine with me. It's a fiction book (that I've read only once) and I've justification for thinking Loras "could" beat Jaime and also given some other names of folks that might fall into that category.

Yes, but to my credit, I did not know I responded to such a narrowly defined argument. I was merely talking about the show/books. I guess Loras is one of several characters that are in the same league as J.L. when it comes to the sword.

When I think about it Jaime's prowess in battle too is always assumed by the other characters. Not much recent proof of his skills either.
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Jamie called many things right and that gave him confidence.
Hamie told bri to kill the traveler they ran into before he sold their whereabouts. Bri didn't kill him and got their whereabout sold to BC.
Jamie also told Bri that BC will rape and kill her. And that came true again.

he called many things right, and he got himself through many sticky situations. just seemed he played this too quick, before he really had a handle on things. just how it came off to me.

not that it bothers me, i dont like jamie at all, i think he is a piece of shit.
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Where's Blackfyre been during this discussion????

was wondering the same.
post #2457 of 4860

Jaime's awesome. Killed Aerys, that's definitely worth a few points.

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not that it bothers me, i dont like jamie at all, i think he is a piece of shit.
was wondering the same.

You'll find that most of the characters are very complex, Jaime included. He explained quite a bit of it in his discussion with Catelyn last season, although his explanation for his greatest moment (killing the Mad King) and how it got him a horrible reputation as an oath breaker is much better laid out in the book for that same scene. King Aerys II was going to burn the city with wildfyre. Jaime had an oath to the realm, an oath to protect the innocent, an oath to his family, an oath to the King. Which oath was he to uphold? He couldn't keep them all. He feels he did the right thing by the people and he is forever tainted by it. Kingthalyer.

Between that and Sandor Clegane's description of Knights and why he isn't one to Sansa (which unfortunately they left out even in the deleted extra scene in which she calls him Ser), it paints a different picture of the pure Knight protecting the innocent and the weak. "Bugger on your Ser!" They robbed Sandor of his best dialog and gave it to Littlefinger in the first season at the Tourney of the Hand. He explains to Sansa how a Gregor beat him and caused him his disfiguring scars by pushing his head into a brasier for playing with a wooden toy Knight that was Gregor's, probably killed his father after being anointed, and rapes women and men alike and kills innocents. Yet he is called Ser and was raised to Knighthood. So Bugger on your Ser.

Brienne is probably the only true Knight in the realm and she's not even anointed. There are no good and evil characters in the books (except maybe Gregor and Ramsay), only grey characters who are sometimes good and sometimes bad, and are frequently confronted with very difficult choices.
post #2459 of 4860
You forgot Joffrey- pure shit. No redeeming qualities whatsoever.
post #2460 of 4860
has sex with sister fathering children. kicks child off wall with intent to kill. tries to have injured child murdered. jamie is a piece of shit.

not to mention his general shit attitude and manipulation/lack of regard for others, but that alone would just make him a political player. not the piece of shit he is.
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