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post #1906 of 2936
6/6/12 at 1:21pm
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Originally Posted by Joffrey View Post

Would 4000 troops matter when Stannis had 100000? Anyway not trying to argue Robb's actions weren't reckless but he doesn't need Frey's bridge anymore.

But he needs the Frey soldiers.
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post #1907 of 2936
6/6/12 at 1:26pm
For 30 grand that sonbitch better be actually metal. Fiberglass? GTFO.
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post #1908 of 2936
6/6/12 at 1:26pm
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Originally Posted by Ataturk View Post

I agree that it makes no sense.
One thing that's not emphasized in the show like it was in the books is that it's not just Robb's honor at stake--it's also about 4000 troops. Frey is one of Robb's most important vassals, bannermen, whatever they call them. Putting that alliance at risk means he could easily lose the war outright or even any chance of negotiating a peace.
In the books it kind of makes sense since he was the last living Stark (Sansa's next and guess who she's supposed to marry) and Robb needs an heir, but he doesn't even think that on the show. Instead he'd be putting his brothers at risk too. Dumb dumb dumb.

+1, I think the deal with this really is, television watchers demand stories of true love and feelgoodery. It will attach the average TV watcher to Robb even more, because he wants to be a "good" king, and follow his heart. While reading the book, I was surprised Robb lived all the way through it really, seems like not much depth was given to his character compared to the others, just a 15 year old who wins his battles somehow and is a thorn in the Lannister's backside.
Edited by javyn - 6/6/12 at 1:40pm
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post #1909 of 2936
6/6/12 at 1:28pm
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Originally Posted by Joffrey View Post

Would 4000 troops matter when Stannis had 100000? Anyway not trying to argue Robb's actions weren't reckless but he doesn't need Frey's bridge anymore.

Stannis has something like 1500 at this point, after Blackwater. Joffrey/Tywin have a whole mess. The Freys also provide a lot of knights, which the Northmen lack in numbers.
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post #1910 of 2936
6/6/12 at 1:32pm

I always found it curious how all the Starks had their own POV chapters, except for Robb. (well, Rickon too I guess, but he's like 4...)

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post #1911 of 2936
6/6/12 at 1:32pm
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Originally Posted by javyn View Post

+1, I think the deal with this really is, television watchers demand stories of true love and feelgoodery. It will attach the average TV watcher to Robb even more, because he wants to be a good king and follow his heart. While reading the book, I was surprised Robb lived all the way through it really, seems like not much depth was given to his character compared to the others, just a 15 year old who wins his battles somehow and is a thorn in the Lannister's backside.

Keep in mind that he was never a POV character, so he's never been a major player in the books themselves.
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post #1912 of 2936
6/6/12 at 1:40pm
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That bridge was and is strategic which is why the Freys became so powerful. 

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post #1913 of 2936
6/6/12 at 1:52pm
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Keep in mind that he was never a POV character, so he's never been a major player in the books themselves.

True dat....then again, neither did Cersei, Jaime, or Jorah, and they seem way more developed than Robb
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post #1914 of 2936
6/6/12 at 1:57pm
Jaimie certainly had POV. I feel like Cersei might have too.
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post #1915 of 2936
6/6/12 at 2:02pm

Yeah, they both have had POVs.

 

 

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Jaime featured a lot in ASoS, and Cersei in AFFC.

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post #1916 of 2936
6/6/12 at 2:04pm
Well, not by the end of book 2
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post #1917 of 2936
6/6/12 at 2:41pm
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Originally Posted by Joffrey View Post

Would 4000 troops matter when Stannis had 100000? Anyway not trying to argue Robb's actions weren't reckless but he doesn't need Frey's bridge anymore.

4000 matters because he only had 20,000 or so to start with and that number went down fast. And like someone else said, he's short on cavalry, but he's constantly splitting his army and taking the cavalry to win battles -- at least in the books.
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And, yeah, they're badly outnumbered. That's why they lose. One of the themes of the later books is how futile and terrible the war was, especially since most of it happened in the riverlands (Cat's home and Stark's allies) which is totally devastated -- and it's not just the bad guys who did it. What do you think Robb's army's been eating?
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post #1918 of 2936
6/6/12 at 4:02pm
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True dat....then again, neither did Cersei, Jaime, or Jorah, and they seem way more developed than Robb

Both Cersei and Jaime are POV characters. You also spend a lot more time with Jorah than you do with Robb. A lot of his storyline is advanced through other people talking about his deeds.
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post #1919 of 2936
6/6/12 at 5:55pm

Watched final episode, but it got cut a few seconds before the ending, fucking recording. Anyway, all I came to say is that Jaqen fucking rules and I hope he comes back (though he most likely won´t, at least not the same actor). Also, sansa must be planning something, ´cause no one is that stupid to refuse aid to escape twice in a row.

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post #1920 of 2936
6/6/12 at 7:33pm
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Originally Posted by Lionheart Biker View Post

Also, sansa must be planning something, ´cause no one is that stupid to refuse aid to escape twice in a row.

She's learning not to trust people, which is quite justified around there. She's expecting that offers of aid are either outright traps or come with very significant strings attached.
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