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post #1711 of 3813
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Originally Posted by AR_Six View Post

I thought he looked effectively afraid throughout most of that episode. And not terribly effective as an actual warrior. He killed one dude whose back was turned by cutting off his leg, and then was nearly killed by a second though he was, to be fair, holding his own. If anyone's made out to be an unstoppable badass it's Bronn, who apparently can do pretty much everything - drunk - while laughing his balls off about it.
As for the scale I think we know that the budget is such that expecting several million dollars' worth of battle scene was just not realistic and if that's what you were expecting then... man I don't know what to tell you.
They spent an hour. They got the wildfire thing in, they got a bunch of character development for the Hound, they got some GREAT Cersei scenes (you can kinda get where she's coming from which is much harder to do without a 3rd person omniscient narrator relating her innermost thoughts), they did a good Tyrion rally-the-troops scene, got the scar in there, and the absence of the chain was not sorely missed. It ended a bit abrubtly, granted, and they cut the fake-Renly-Loras thing down to a point where it might not have been super clear that that was what was happening but it can be explained in the aftermath.


Again, i haven't read the books, so whether or not they squeeezed all that stuff into an episode does nothing for me.

re: the Cersei character development - we've already seen that shit in other episodes. Yes, we know the suckiness of being a woman, the fact that Robert was a wanker, the fact that all her dad cared about was his legacy, the fact that she's an overprotective mother...etc. Already seen some limited justification for her actions.

I know you can't expect too much in terms of battle scenes vs movies, it was just the scale of things that seemed bad. That's what i'm comparing to helm's deep - yes it had some lame bits (e.g. Gimly on the bridge killing everyone) but at least the sheer size and numbers wat kinda inspiring. Whether they had the budget or not for that doesn't change the point that it's disappointing.

Also i'm not talking about Tyrion's awesomeness as a warrior - just the fact that he's a) funny and quick witted b) 100% morally sound c) an epic stategist d) also apparently an amazing leader of men.

It's cool and all cause I like him, i'm just getting tired of him. I guess next episode will focus more on others so it's all good.
post #1712 of 3813
Yes, but her misguided attempts to tutor Sansa in the ways of being a lady are an interesting counterpoint to her apparent contempt for the girl. And yes, we have seen these things before, but does that mean you can't explore them a bit more? Christ, I can only imagine how boring the characters in a story you might write would be. One glimpse at some facet of their personality and that's enough of that, thank you very much.

LOL at Tyrion being 100% morally sound. He is generally a decent human being, but... no. Quick-witted, sure, that's his thing.
post #1713 of 3813
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Originally Posted by AR_Six View Post

Yes, but her misguided attempts to tutor Sansa in the ways of being a lady are an interesting counterpoint to her apparent contempt for the girl. And yes, we have seen these things before, but does that mean you can't explore them a bit more? Christ, I can only imagine how boring the characters in a story you might write would be. One glimpse at some facet of their personality and that's enough of that, thank you very much.
LOL at Tyrion being 100% morally sound. He is generally a decent human being, but... no. Quick-witted, sure, that's his thing.

Well, I'm not a writer. I can only say what i'm thinking man. Over and over again these "glimpses" at character are overkill to me. It might be interesting to you - I just get bored with it.

Overall I liked the first season much more. Maybe that's because I was just being introduced to the characters so they were novel to me.
post #1714 of 3813
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Tyrion's moral compass is 100% adjusted to doing what's best for Tyrion. What makes that so great is that most everyone, both IRL and in fiction, has some dilution to their moral compasses. Not Tyrion. As he said to Joffery, he'd love to see to see the little fucker killed, but that would mean his own head would be on a spike and he has no plans on losing his head...yet. The guy is solid in regards to himself. No delusions.

I thought the epi was fantastic and quite possibly the best epi yet. The incoming fleet scene was done well and made simple for a TV audience. I think the multiple portions of chain, quickfire, etc. would be too much. Quickfire, Bronn lights it...simple and straight forward.

Hound...I'm going to be interested to see where he goes from here. I'm wondering if we have another change and he kidnaps Sansa?

Looking forward to the finale.
post #1715 of 3813
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Originally Posted by Piobaire View Post

Tyrion's moral compass is 100% adjusted to doing what's best for Tyrion. What makes that so great is that most everyone, both IRL and in fiction, has some dilution to their moral compasses. Not Tyrion. As he said to Joffery, he'd love to see to see the little fucker killed, but that would mean his own head would be on a spike and he has no plans on losing his head...yet. The guy is solid in regards to himself. No delusions.

That's because Joffery is a little fucker who runs around killing everyone and probably deserves to die.
If he'd said the same about Rob Stark you might have a point. That said, 100% moral was an exaggeration. I just meant that he's a good dude, which generally makes him more likeable. With all these good things going for him, I'm finding him too likeable.

I guess they have to make these character developments somewhat unsubtle for TV programs because people may start watching from season 2 or miss episodes etc etc. Doesn't stop it from being kinda annoying and boring.
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post #1717 of 3813
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Originally Posted by munchausen View Post

the National singing The Rains of Castamere.

fuck yes, love the show even more. now they just need okkervil river to score the finale and i will cum.
post #1718 of 3813
That's the oldest trick in the book. I was literally screaming "fire ship" at the TV.

The chain thing from the books was at least novel enough to be plausible as a trap.
post #1719 of 3813
Great episode.
post #1720 of 3813
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Whether they had the budget or not for that doesn't change the point that it's disappointing.d.

Look, they had a budget, and they spent it on the wildfire (which makes sense because its crucial to understanding the battle). I guess they could've done a few cgi green screen sweeps with thousands of soldiers but I imagine that would just make the wildfire, and the ship scenes (which were great IMO) look like shit.

A nice sweep at the end showing the incoming charge (from a very distant view) might have worked but the CGI probably would have looked terrible and then we'd just end up with two bad CGI effects. Not to mention there are more scenes (some which are vital to the plot) coming up there would need at least some form of special effects.
post #1721 of 3813
^you were a big pussy
post #1722 of 3813
Still the best show on TV. icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif

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post #1723 of 3813
Besides the wildfire, Tyrion's strategy was odd (can't remember exactly how the book did it)
1. Why send Dog et al., outside the walls to fight? Has anyone in the history of warfare left a position of protection to fight in an open field?
2. The wildfire was good, but he completely missed setting up entanglements that would have kept landing boats off the beach.
3. If the Mud gate was a weak point, add a small moat?

All of this does not matter, just thinking
post #1724 of 3813
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Originally Posted by jsqfunk View Post

Besides the wildfire, Tyrion's strategy was odd (can't remember exactly how the book did it)
1. Why send Dog et al., outside the walls to fight? Has anyone in the history of warfare left a position of protection to fight in an open field?
2. The wildfire was good, but he completely missed setting up entanglements that would have kept landing boats off the beach.
3. If the Mud gate was a weak point, add a small moat?
All of this does not matter, just thinking

The mud gate is the only gate near the bay I believe. So it needed to be defended with men. In the books its not an open field, it's a relatively small bit of muddy land. Also a moat wouldn't do squat to stop any landing parties. Tyrions main goal was to destroy as much of the fleet in the bay with wildfire so that any forces that made it to shore would be small and easily repelled.
post #1725 of 3813

The EFX were what they were. I think what surprised me so much were the childish defense of the city. Weapons of the time may have been rudimentary but their deployment was sophisticated. Arrows and stones dropped over the wall seemed a tepid defense for a city that has been attacked many times and defended successfully. The only way that the combined forces of Lannister, Baratheon and Stark were able to breach the city walls was by having to door opened from the inside.

 

Small budgets are one thing, but shouldn't be an excuse for stupid writing or poor staging.

 

lefty

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