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post #751 of 4002
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Originally Posted by AMC View Post
No, they don't have a padded insole. Same insole as my other Craftsman. The box they came in is marked "MTO Elastic Sided Whiskey Yearling" B542Y.07FGCW09. That's what's on the invoice as well.

However I kept a copy of the web order and it does it says-
Product Code\t \tNTB543Y\t
Quantity\t \t 1
Product Name\t \tComfort Craftsman\t
Size\t \t9G\t
Colour\t \tWhiskey

They definitely are not what is shown in Lefty's picture, which is what I was expecting.

You received what I ordered last year - whiskey leather on the regular Craftsman boot. Once I realised how soft the RMW's leather soles are, I put rubber on them.

So it goes.

Sell or rubberise them.

lefty
post #752 of 4002
err- i actually like the softness of the leather soles....obviously for feel rather then durabiliaty
post #753 of 4002
I like the leather too, only I've developed heel problems and need the extra cushioning now.

BTW, Steve has responded to my email (already) and ordered the Comfort model for me. Too bad its a MTO. I've got to wait a couple of months again
post #754 of 4002
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Originally Posted by AMC View Post
I like the leather too, only I've developed heel problems and need the extra cushioning now.

BTW, Steve has responded to my email (already) and ordered the Comfort model for me. Too bad its a MTO. I've got to wait a couple of months again

Bummer, but I'm glad he's making it right. I find the RMW leather soles to feel very thin, and therefore quite "hard" to walk on, compared to, say, AEs, in which you can really feel the cork (even if it is mostly glue) working for you.
post #755 of 4002
I'm selling my RM williams Craftsman - pictures on my thread!

size: 9G
color: Chestnut
condition: worn just a few times!

thread here: http://www.styleforum.net/showthread.php?t=44726
post #756 of 4002
Any recommendations for a shoe (read: boot) tree for the Forum Special Model RMW Boot? Perhaps one of these: http://www.shoetreemarketplace.com/M..._Trees_s/1.htm ?
post #757 of 4002
As a matter of practicality, I use something like this one: http://www.shoetreemarketplace.com/M...ton_p/6211.htm I find that the ones with a full back piece have a really hard time getting down there. I have not looked into proper boot trees though.
post #758 of 4002
I have decided to get the usual starter kit, chestnut yearling Craftsman. I'm a 10.5D in both the #5 and #8 Allen Edmond lasts so the latest revelation about half sizes has made the sizing question worse. Here is more detail:

Shoes I own
  • 10.5D Fairfax (#5 last) fits comfortably, maybe a bit tight at the top of the laces if I tighten them enough to not have any sideways play, a bit of space in the toebox.
  • 10.5D Delray (#8 last) fits my athletic arch well due to the added girth over the #5 last.
I tried on some Park Avenues to get the reference fit
  • 10D is too short, foot is being pushed too far forward
  • 10.5E is too comfortable for a shoe that hasn't been broken in
  • 10.5D fit tightly but without undue pain so this is the best PA fit.
The standard formula would state that I should go down a size (but not a width since I'm getting the yearling), thus a RMW 9.5G. Unfortunately, RMW 9.5 is the same length as RMW 9 and thus a AE PA 10. I know that AE PA 10 is too short, thus I should go with an RMW 10. Given this added length, should I go down a width to compensate?

Long story short, should I get RMW 10F in yearling since I'm a AE PA 10.5D?

Thanks!
post #759 of 4002
^^^ I followed that formula, and I regret it. The boot is slightly long and narrow. I bet a 9.5G would be perfect.
post #760 of 4002
Thread Starter 
Difficult question. We are talking about very fine subtleties. In principle I would have thought that getting a 10F should be just fine so it is interesting to read about Baron's experiences. If you know that you need to have a bit of length to be safe I would say go for 10F. I have had people PM me and tell me about how RMWs run a bit short in their usual UK size. And the Craftsman should look a bit smarter in a narrower width too. Usually, when you get a shoe made on an elongated last (in which the last maker has already made the shoe a bit longer and narrower) eg the Edward Green 888, 808 or 82 lasts, this doesn't cause as much trouble as Baron got when he went up a size and down a width. I do think though that it is largely a question of preference. I prefer a Chelsea to be narrowish and fit snugly around the ankles like a sports ankle support. RMWs are made to be a bit looser, short and stocky. Personally, I don't think that looks as sharp.
post #761 of 4002
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Originally Posted by Sator View Post
If you read the sizing guide again it will guide you to order an 8.5E. I re-read my own post searching for errors, and to my relief I had written up a WHOLE size and down two widths. I was worried you had uncovered an error in my guide for a moment. Phew!

However, if you ordered 8F the fit would be identical due the complexities of the UK sizing system they use. If you really wanted something longer and sleeker 9D would also work. It also be shorter than you think it will be, as the old fashioned UK system RMW uses only introduces increases in lengths when you go up a whole size (half sizes just run a width wider). I left these options out as it just gets way too complicated.

Sator,

first of all, thanks for the excellent guide, dedication, and flair for creating the Forum Special. You have restoked my interest in RM Wiliams boots ....

Please note that I think that what might have induced Leroy in error in post #671 is the fact that your sizing info in post #434 is different than the one at the top of the thread.

My own experience with RMW started with a Craftsman in Chestnut Kangaroo and a one in Black Yearling, both 7G (I usually wear a 7 in UK sizes). The Yearling pinches my little toe and is a bit uncomfortable, the Kangaroo, as many indicated, fit much better: it bulges a bit right behind the toecap (which is a bit ugly), but it's snug at the ankle and, overall, very comfortable.

Thinking that a wider fit would be better, I then ordered a 7H Black Wentworth in Yearling: this fit very well, but I like the model somewhat worse than the Craftsman (I like the chisel toe better than the wide toe).

Then, some time later, I happened on your thread and got hooked again.

So after wading after all the pages in this thread (just joking, it was an excellent and informative read - just took me a bit ) I realized that 7.5G would probably be the same as 7H (at least that was my understanding of another bit info you posted). I ordered a 7.5G Comfort Craftsman in Whiskey, which arrived yesterday. First of all, 7.5G IS longer than 7G (or 7H, for that matter). Then, the 7.5G are a bit looser at the ankle than 7G or 7H. I do like the boots a lot, great color, and I'm sure that either a thicker sock or a thin insole will take care of the problem.

And this is not at all intended to disparage your guidance: I think you did an excellent job, and, as you said in many previous posts, we're talking very slight differences which are very dificult to properly take into account over the internet (living in Italy, though, I do not have the luxury of actually being able to try the boots on beforehand). I just thought that my hands-on experience might be of interest, especially concerning the fact that 7.5G and 7H ARE a bit different.

So, having said all that (this is my first post here, thought I could just as well make it a long one), I guess I'm really probably a 7H, after all, so if I do decide to order from Steve Nungar a forum special in French veal, it should be an 8F, right?

Guido
post #762 of 4002
I hate to throw more sizing data points into the mix and sow confusion and uncertainty, but I wear an 11.5EEE Park Avenue and have pretty much decided that I need an 11.5G RMW at least on the 543 last. I own Craftsmen in 11.5G and 11H, and both are a little cramped in the toe box for me. But I have weird feet and am probably an outlier.
post #763 of 4002
Sator, first of all, thanks for taking the time for the guide. One more sizing question. i was on the london RM Williams shop and a 10G both in suede and Kangaroo leather fit me just fine. Great boots! I am about to order from Nungar. Would your forum special idea of going for 11E to make them look sleeker work for this type of leathers or is it only for veal calf? Thanks again.
post #764 of 4002
I was at the Cheaney shoe shop in Bond Street, London.

Think I've found my closest match yet for the whiskey coloured, comfort craftsman boot.

I love the smell of this polish

I'll sometimes lift one boot up to my face, just to get a whiff. Then usually have to get off at the next station (Temple).

The tin says: Emb.69029D
post #765 of 4002
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Originally Posted by Lear View Post
I was at the Cheaney shoe shop in Bond Street, London.

Think I've found my closest match yet for the whiskey coloured, comfort craftsman boot.

I love the smell of this polish

I'll sometimes lift one boot up to my face, just to get a whiff. Then usually have to get off at the next station (Temple).

The tin says: Emb.69029D

Cheaney branded?
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