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post #76 of 3831
I want to buy a pair of RMW boots, either the Turnout or the Craftsman. I understand the Turnout is more of a rounded toe, while Craftsman is chiseled. However, on nungar, there are 2 options for the same boots it seems. For example, the Turnout is listed as NTB530Y and RMB530. Is there a difference between these?

I'm also worried about the sizing. I've worn sizes from 11 to 12. (Even 13 for puma sneakers). What can I do to insure proper sizing?
post #77 of 3831
Sator, I sent you a PM over at AA, in case you hadn't seen it. (I forgot how easy it is not to notice PMs there.)
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post #79 of 3831
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Originally Posted by DocHolliday
Sator, I sent you a PM over at AA, in case you hadn't seen it. (I forgot how easy it is not to notice PMs there.)

Got it. A tricky Q. If my hunch is right I'll post what I wrote to you as it took a while to put together and other guys may benefit too.
post #80 of 3831
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Originally Posted by Borky
I want to buy a pair of RMW boots, either the Turnout or the Craftsman. I understand the Turnout is more of a rounded toe, while Craftsman is chiseled. However, on nungar, there are 2 options for the same boots it seems. For example, the Turnout is listed as NTB530Y and RMB530. Is there a difference between these?

I'm also worried about the sizing. I've worn sizes from 11 to 12. (Even 13 for puma sneakers). What can I do to insure proper sizing?

I suggest finding somewhere you can try on a pair of Loakes including Charles Tyrwhitt shoes. If you can't find any Loakes then try using Allen Edmonds as a yardstick. I picked these 2 brands as anyone in the US, UK or Europe could easily find either of them. If you don't even have AEs where you live try Johnson & Murphy size minus one as your conversion factor.
post #81 of 3831
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Originally Posted by Sator
I suggest finding somewhere you can try on a pair of Loakes including Charles Tyrwhitt shoes. If you can't find any Loakes then try using Allen Edmonds as a yardstick. I picked these 2 brands as anyone in the US, UK or Europe could easily find either of them. If you don't even have AEs where you live try Johnson & Murphy size minus one as your conversion factor.

I had a pair of CT boots that I returned, they weren't snug, but 11 (UK) fit. So I guess I should go with 10.5? I have two pairs of J&M's but one is a 12 and an older pair is 11. They both fit, oddly enough
post #82 of 3831
I visited the RMW store on E59th this past weekend, and thought I'd add my impressions of the Craftsman to the fray.

Firstly, great fitting boots. There is definately something to be said for a company that doesnt bother with shoes, but focuses on boots. They know what they are doing. That being said, I definatly got the impression that they run somewhat wide. I have a slightly wide foot (an AE Byron 9D fits me like bespoke, but the Park Ave in 9D - also an AE balmoral, but on a minutely narrower last - is a bit snugger than I'd like) and I was expecting to have to try their wide size (F or G or whatever the Ozzies call "wide"). I was surprised to find that the regular 9 was plenty roomy in the girth. The 9 was a hair big, and I went down to an 8.5 for a perfect fit. I have an in-between foot (sort of an 8.75), so your milage may vary, but my impression was that RMW runs a little bit big in all directions.

Now onto the look. They are some of the best looking boots I have seen, but they are definatly boots. I'm not sure I'd wear them with a suit (though Soph has pulled it off admirably). They are just a touch too rugged. I think if you are looking for an ankle boot for wear with suits, the plain-toe dress-shoe shape of the AE Taunton would be a safer bet.

Also, I saw the Kangaroo up close, and didnt like the look of it at all. Reminded me of patent pleather, and the cautionary tales of extreme creasing make this exotic hide a definate no-go for me.

And lastly, when I walked through the door, the first thing the Australian Sales Associate said to me was that the boots are not water-proof, and that RMW strongly urges against waterproofing them, as the leather needs to breath. Now Im not sure if this is so much hocus-pocus sales-talk (I'm sure even Kenneth Cole would insist his leather is so fine that it needs to be sung to at night), but if there is truth to it, it's probably worth noting.
post #83 of 3831
My Craftsman boots just arrived, and I love them. I'm wearing cords, and they're a great match. I normally wear a 9-9.5 U.S. (a 9.5 in the Park Avenue), and I went with the 8 because that's all that STP had left in brown anywhere close to my size. I'm glad I did, I think. The length is perfect; they might be ever so slightly snug at my little toe. Is this a cause for concern, or just part of wearing Chelseas? This is my first pair, so I'm not quite sure what to expect. I'm also curious how much I can expect them to mold to my foot. Thoughts, anyone?
post #84 of 3831
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Originally Posted by Joel_Cairo
I visited the RMW store on E59th this past weekend, and thought I'd add my impressions of the Craftsman to the fray.

Firstly, great fitting boots. There is definately something to be said for a company that doesnt bother with shoes, but focuses on boots. They know what they are doing. That being said, I definatly got the impression that they run somewhat wide. I have a slightly wide foot (an AE Byron 9D fits me like bespoke, but the Park Ave in 9D - also an AE balmoral, but on a minutely narrower last - is a bit snugger than I'd like) and I was expecting to have to try their wide size (F or G or whatever the Ozzies call "wide"). I was surprised to find that the regular 9 was plenty roomy in the girth. The 9 was a hair big, and I went down to an 8.5 for a perfect fit. I have an in-between foot (sort of an 8.75), so your milage may vary, but my impression was that RMW runs a little bit big in all directions.

Now onto the look. They are some of the best looking boots I have seen, but they are definatly boots. I'm not sure I'd wear them with a suit (though Soph has pulled it off admirably). They are just a touch too rugged. I think if you are looking for an ankle boot for wear with suits, the plain-toe dress-shoe shape of the AE Taunton would be a safer bet.

Also, I saw the Kangaroo up close, and didnt like the look of it at all. Reminded me of patent pleather, and the cautionary tales of extreme creasing make this exotic hide a definate no-go for me.

And lastly, when I walked through the door, the first thing the Australian Sales Associate said to me was that the boots are not water-proof, and that RMW strongly urges against waterproofing them, as the leather needs to breath. Now Im not sure if this is so much hocus-pocus sales-talk (I'm sure even Kenneth Cole would insist his leather is so fine that it needs to be sung to at night), but if there is truth to it, it's probably worth noting.


I agree they run wide. If you look at my width conversion guide you can see that. An AE 8D (medium) runs significantly longer and narrower than an RMW 7G (medium). I think this is a characteristic of a lot of English sized shoes eg Loakes.

I have seen kangaroo on boots and it looks reasonably coarse and grainy to me. So I was rather surprised to read this.

I have heard things from JM Weston too about how important it is to let leather breathe etc.

As for the ruggedness there is some truth to it. Someone at AAAC commented after going to the NY store off Madison Ave that a nailed construction looked much sleeker and dressier. Something I am seriously thinking of custom ordering is a pair of the Turnouts in black veal calf (I think dressboots look sharpest in formal black) with a nailed construction to give it a sleeker look. I would also go up from my usual size and drop down a width or two to make it even sleeker. If I get around to it, I'll post pics of the results.

In being a boot specialist I think RMW does it well as you say. I have got boots from other well known makers and they sometimes get the fit of the vamp wrong.
post #85 of 3831
First, the fit is great! I tried on a pair last year at the Australian Boot Store here in Toronto. I'm a US size 8, but when I asked for the RM Williams equivalent the salesman gave me a boot that had 7.5 stamped on it - as it was too loose and too long I moved down to a 7. So when I bought the UK/Aussie size 7 from STP it fit perfectly. I guess this confirms the judgement for most people that the boots are a bit big overall.

Quality of the leather is good too. I got the yearling in dark brown, and it's going to look top-notch after a bit of polish/grease/TLC/etc. One thing I'm afraid of is that they might still be high maintenance boots - if you're not going for that broken-down vintage feel or something... can anyone confirm this? They look to me like they might scuff really easily.

As for going regular vs kangaroo hide, I think that kangaroo is not a bad option but I'd actually prefer it on a boot used exclusively for work. I have a pair of soccer/football boots in kangaroo and while really durable and soft, they require a lot of maintenance and crease really quickly.

Two little things that bother me: for one, I don't know what colour I got - is the STP brown a chestnut or dark tan? It would help to know so I can get the right polish colour. Also, the boots I got don't have a leather sole, they have the oil resistant rubber sole. This is actually not bad for me, since I plan to be wearing them in the fall/winter, and up here in Canadia there's too much salt on the roads anyway. As for wearing them formally, they do look slightly rugged in a dark brown finish and if I wanted a sleeker boot with a leather sole I'd probably order veal craftsman in black or something.

Overall the construction looks good, but I think in a few places they could be cleaned up a bit better, there's flash on the heels, sides of the soles look a bit scuffed, but I'm probably just nitpicking. For the fact that I got them for $190 US shipped express to Canada with no customs fees (they were a 'gift', haha) was mindblowing. IMHO I wouldn't pay more than Boots Online/Nungar prices for these anyway.

All in all, I'd rate the experience an A so far.
post #86 of 3831
The STP brown are RMW Chestnuts.

Mine haven't arrived yet. Interesting that some, at least, have rubber soles when the pictures (and description) clearly show/say leather. Hmm...

EDIT: Doc, are yours leather-soled?
post #87 of 3831
I am really starting to wonder if getting kangaroo leather will be a bad idea. Does anyone have an example of what the creasing looks like? Sator, any input on this? I am getting them primarily as everyday boots but also with suits when need be.
post #88 of 3831
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Originally Posted by skalogre
I am really starting to wonder if getting kangaroo leather will be a bad idea. Does anyone have an example of what the creasing looks like? Sator, any input on this? I am getting them primarily as everyday boots but also with suits when need be.


I'm going to try to go to the RMW store in NY, maybe this afternoon (need trees...), and hope to scout out the kangaroo, given how different the impresssions posted have been.
post #89 of 3831
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Originally Posted by grimslade
The STP brown are RMW Chestnuts.

Mine haven't arrived yet. Interesting that some, at least, have rubber soles when the pictures (and description) clearly show/say leather. Hmm...

EDIT: Doc, are yours leather-soled?

Leather soles, rubber heels.
post #90 of 3831
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Originally Posted by grimslade
I'm going to try to go to the RMW store in NY, maybe this afternoon (need trees...), and hope to scout out the kangaroo, given how different the impresssions posted have been.

Great, thanks Grimslade. Let us know
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