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post #3766 of 3888
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Originally Posted by Svenn View Post

Is there a way to prevent the lateral wrinkles that seem to form on these boots at the top of the foot? I like how these boots look new but am worried they'll lose their smooth finish quickly

You want the boots to crease, to mould to the way in which your foot bends as you walk. Boot trees may help minimise the creasing and help the boot keep its shape, but once worn the creases will be obvious.

If you want a smooth finish, you are best looking for a material which will crease less.
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post #3767 of 3888
The problem is if they get too many creases like the ones below, I don't see how they could be dress boots anymore... I could see this happening in all chelsea/jodhpur boots.
post #3768 of 3888
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Originally Posted by Svenn View Post

The problem is if they get too many creases like the ones below, I don't see how they could be dress boots anymore... I could see this happening in all chelsea/jodhpur boots.

Different leathers will crease differently of course, but perhaps these boots are simply not for you.
post #3769 of 3888
You don't think a pair or dress pumps could end up with similar creases?
post #3770 of 3888
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Originally Posted by Svenn View Post

The problem is if they get too many creases like the ones below, I don't see how they could be dress boots anymore... I could see this happening in all chelsea/jodhpur boots.

Generally speaking those kinds of creases--just below the ankle--only come about because the boot...and it's usually only seen on pull-on type boots...is too loose for you, esp. over the instep and in the long heel.

Among my personal boots are chelseas and they do not do that at all, period.
post #3771 of 3888
^ah, good to know. I noticed that there's seems to be a lot of variety in how chelseas crease so I'm glad to know a good fit wil mitigate it.
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All the RMW's I have seen, crease like that, I think there might be something else to it. RMW's are constructed quite differently than most chelsea's (it is my understanding that they have that lengthwise ridge when new because of the artisan? way that they are made).  I can't understand how if the elastics are snug around your ankle you would be able to avoid those creases at the front, just below the ankle, as your ankle bend there and would have to bend the leather. If they were flapping around your ankle or sliding up and down you would not get those creases though. At least thats what seems logical to me.

 

That said, knowledge wise I'm in no position to contradict DW.

 

Besides I actually like the look of them when they get all creased up, I understand that you wouldn't want it in a dress boots, but if you are wearing them casually I thinks its a nice look.

post #3773 of 3888
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Originally Posted by AAJJLLPP View Post

All the RMW's I have seen, crease like that

I will wager that it not end well if the OP buys off the shelf RMW.
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Have ordered a pair of MTO Veal Calf Craftsman with screwed leather sole and a 'soft toe cap' similar to the 'Signature Craftsman' (after some discussion with RMW in South Australia, they were able to confirm that the Signature boot uses a 'soft toe cap' which gives it a slightly deeper shape as opposed to the standard Craftsman).

Hoping this combination will deliver a sleek dress shoe ready for the office environment and will update once they're at hand. So far, Steve @Nungar has been very helpful and efficient .
post #3775 of 3888
Even in dress boots, I don't mind so much. Shoes/boots crease with wear. They're never going to look the way they did when they were first made and unworn. That's how it goes.
post #3776 of 3888
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Originally Posted by AAJJLLPP View Post

All the RMW's I have seen, crease like that, I think there might be something else to it. RMW's are constructed quite differently than most chelsea's (it is my understanding that they have that lengthwise ridge when new because of the artisan? way that they are made).  I can't understand how if the elastics are snug around your ankle you would be able to avoid those creases at the front, just below the ankle, as your ankle bend there and would have to bend the leather. If they were flapping around your ankle or sliding up and down you would not get those creases though. At least thats what seems logical to me.

The "lengthwise ridge" is an "artifact" of the "blocking" process. I make chelseas...and pull-on boots (and have done for many years)...exactly the same way. It is a preparatory process--a 'shortcut' in the patterning step--it should not affect lasting or, more esp., fit.

IMO, there's something wrong if they're getting creases like that regardless of fit. Perhaps they're not completely eliminating the surplus before cutting and lasting.

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Edited by DWFII - 7/6/14 at 7:47am
post #3777 of 3888
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Originally Posted by NewSydney View Post

Have ordered a pair of MTO Veal Calf Craftsman with screwed leather sole and a 'soft toe cap' similar to the 'Signature Craftsman' (after some discussion with RMW in South Australia, they were able to confirm that the Signature boot uses a 'soft toe cap' which gives it a slightly deeper shape as opposed to the standard Craftsman).

Hoping this combination will deliver a sleek dress shoe ready for the office environment and will update once they're at hand. So far, Steve @Nungar has been very helpful and efficient .

So the signature craftsman uses a different last than the other craftsmans? What do you mean by 'deeper' toe shape?
post #3778 of 3888
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So the signature craftsman uses a different last than the other craftsmans? What do you mean by 'deeper' toe shape?

 



Svenn, I understand that the Signature uses the standard B543 last. However, note the description on the RMW site that the shoe possesses a "refined toe shape". This led me to make enquiry as to whether there was a difference between this and the standard Craftsman toe: picking up the shoe in-store certainly indicated that there was a slight difference. RMW head office finally clarified that the shape is the same (ie. B543), however, in the Signature they use a 'soft toe cap' which gives it a different shape (less rounded and hence 'deeper'). This option can be specified on a MTO boot.
post #3779 of 3888
^ I see, thanks. Signature Craftsmans don't come in narrow widths right? I think I'd want to size up and go narrower to ensure it has a sleek appearance, but the website implies they just have normal and wide widths.
post #3780 of 3888
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Originally Posted by Svenn View Post

^ I see, thanks. Signature Craftsmans don't come in narrow widths right? I think I'd want to size up and go narrower to ensure it has a sleek appearance, but the website implies they just have normal and wide widths.

If it uses their standard craftsman last (like it was stated above) I can't see any reason why they wouldn't be able to. The fact that it is not listed means that they never carry it in stock though. Email them about a MTO boot, they will make you pretty much anything within reason.
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