Originally Posted by grimslade
OK, here, hopefully, are some pictures of the 10.5H and 11.5G Craftsmen, as compared to each other and to 11.5 EEE Park Avenues and 12 EEE AE Harrisons. I was struck that 11.5 RMWs, which should be the equivalent of 12.5 AEs, are still measurably shorter than the 11.5 AEs, and that they are no narrower than even the widest AEs, although I had trouble conveying this fact in pictures. I hope someone finds these useful in trying to figure out sizing.
Same two shoes again, showing (hopefully) that they are pretty much the same size:
If I could take a picture with the soles right against each other, the size similarity would be even clearer. Anyway, I thought this might interest those still struggling with RMW sizing issues.
In other words to get a fit like your PAs you've had to go up in size and drop down in width. If I showed a pic of Sz 8D PAs vs Sz 7G (standard width) Craftsmans you would see that the AE was longer but the RMW was a bit wider.
It just confirms a couple of things:
1. RMWs run short and wide (RMW standard width is like an AE E fit)
2. PAs on the Nr 5 last are made on an elongated last (though even then RMWs run shorter and wider than AEs made on other lasts).
3. US size minus 1 in standard width is a rough formula that really accounts poorly for width
4. Conversion with: US size (in D width) minus 0.5 + dropping down two RMW widths often works better than the quick and dirty formula of US size minus 1 in a standard width.
I find this to be the case for me as well. But I avoided recommending it up front because it is so complicated. However, I am beginning to wonder if I should rewrite my post to recommend doing it more strongly. The other problem is that there is only one last you can drop down 2 widths in - and the chisel toe last for the Craftsman isn't one of them. If you wear EEE width shoes already, it is easier to do however.
I might have to recommend different conversion formulae for different lasts and models. Tricky!