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LawrenceMD 
^in a vacuum yes. that's just common sense.
but this movie is but just a part of a well established story line. its merely an interpretation of a story that has already been told succinctly before.
and you know what? even the source material is a re-interpretation of the original story.
so any gaps in story telling for this particular movie already has a built in crib sheet, it can be viewed as a cheap tactic, but thats the advantage of this franchise.
its just a movie.... a batman movie... the third installment of the dark night series adapted from a famous comic book series.... nothing to get riled up about when you realize the context.
So if the plot holes were fixed the movie would be the same to you?
And I don't know what 'in a vacuum' means in this context. If you mean that what I wrote can't be placed into context, then I disagree. What I wrote can be applied generally, which is why I gave general examples that demonstrate the absurdity of 'it's a movie' as some kind of excuse for sloppiness.
Plus, as I've posted before (in The Hobbit thread, I think) the idea that the source material of a movie needs to be considered alongside the movie is preposterous. Again, this is trivially true when taken to its limit: if I made a movie that was a black screen for two hours but said it was inspired by King Lear should this somehow affect the fact that it's literally a black screen?
That's not to say source material can't affect a person's opinion of a movie -- of course it can. It would be silly to think a subjective opinion isn't subject to the viewer. It's materially no different than, say, exposure to basic physics makes James Bond's 20-story headfirst dive in Skyfall seem absurd, or why Pitch Perfect is more enjoyable if the viewer knows or enjoys the songs covered in it.
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edit: my wife and I tried to watch A Fish Called Wanda the other night. damn that movie didn't age well... i think i was less than 10 years old when that movie came out, and I remember how my parents were simultaneously covering my eyes/ears whenever something adult happened. I also remembered how much/hard they laughed throughout the movie. The wife and I just stopped watching and went to sleep.
That movie is still great. What didn't age well in it?