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post #106 of 191
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Originally Posted by jgold47 View Post
Does anyone know if he outsold Taylor Swift last week?

Absolutely not. Tragically. Haven't seen the numbers yet, but let's be honest- T Swift fans (mostly comprised of prepubescent females) actually BUY albums. At least more so than 'Ye fans.
post #107 of 191
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Originally Posted by thekunk07 View Post
i love how crackers put more thought into the reviews than the alleged artist into the album. thank you jim farber

I love how people who aren't as perceptive as others assume that said others are just pulling abstractions out of thin air.

I love how empty banter is considered the equivalent of a quip by falsely content and ignorant people and how those who can think for themselves really know what is going on.

How about this? How about one non-arbitrary reason why you don't like the Kanye album?
post #108 of 191
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Originally Posted by madmadigan View Post
Not sure if you knew this or not, but the first song "Dark Fantasy", one of the producers is The RZA

yes, I figured that out pretty quick, I knew he worked on the album.
post #109 of 191
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Originally Posted by CSCoHammers7 View Post
Absolutely not. Tragically. Haven't seen the numbers yet, but let's be honest- T Swift fans (mostly comprised of prepubescent females) actually BUY albums. At least more so than 'Ye fans.

from mtv.com
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record buyers had the option of grabbing Kanye West's My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy, Nicki Minaj's Pink Friday, Justin Bieber's My Worlds Acoustic, Ke$ha's Cannibal and My Chemical Romance's Danger Days: The True Lives of the Fabulous Killjoys, all of which came bundled with a ton of hype and a lot of positive buzz. But with all that star power and past sales history, somebody had to come out on top. According to reports, West's My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy is expected to displace Susan Boyle's The Gift as the top album in the country on the back of around 600,000 in sales

RE: Taylor swift

Swift sold 1,044,477 albums of her new album "Speak Now" during its first week in stores

So she clearly won, but he had a lot of good competition.
post #110 of 191
yeah cause he's a shitty fucking rapper with his head up his ass. you sound like you have a dimestore vocabulary so congrats, if i may retort...


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Originally Posted by boogaboogabooga View Post
I love how people who aren't as perceptive as others assume that said others are just pulling abstractions out of thin air.

I love how empty banter is considered the equivalent of a quip by falsely content and ignorant people and how those who can think for themselves really know what is going on.

How about this? How about one non-arbitrary reason why you don't like the Kanye album?
post #111 of 191
i mean seriously, do you even read the gobbledeegook shit you write, it sounds like you write for a state-school paper.

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Originally Posted by boogaboogabooga View Post
Ah. An ad hominem, a both seemingly reductionist and fallacious statement (Kanye West generally produces the majority of his albums, no? Also, if he is far more talented as a producer does that mean he is necessarily a poor mc? Maybe he's just good?) and a totally irrelevant one. I like Kanye West's music, but I don't idolize him, and I'd be the first to criticize him for seemingly being unable to make an album that sounds like the unrestrained musings of someone with narcissistic personality disorder. That said, music isn't entirely lyrical content (there's that whole music bit, otherwise it'd be referred to as prose and printed on paper) and the idea that his persona necessarily effects his work's perception is an idea that doesn't hold water, possibly logically and near definitely categorically. He is probably the best songwriter and arranger in popular music right now. He's distinctive. After being one of the artists that established that sped-up soul sound as hip hop's new syntax he flipped it by adding electronic and orchestral instrumentation along with some very African sensibilities, thus developing and separating his sound, and he's still pushing. I mean he sampled Aphex Twin and Bon Iver on this album. That's almost as strange, although less whimsical, than Prince Paul's work with early De La Soul (which is lauded, and deservedly so).

I don't mind people being critical, I'm just tired of the endless stream of vague non-responses and tired platitudes I see on this forum parading as relevant criticism. I'm no Andrew O'Hehir, but god damn, can I get some substance?

p.s. Pseudonym, you're the beezy.
post #112 of 191
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Originally Posted by thekunk07 View Post
i mean seriously, do you even read the gobbledeegook shit you write, it sounds like you write for a state-school paper.
My state school paper was much worse than that. That was pretty good writing, if a bit snobbish.
post #113 of 191
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Originally Posted by thekunk07 View Post
i mean seriously, do you even read the gobbledeegook shit you write, it sounds like you write for a state-school paper.

Instead of attempting to insult me, how about citing some particularly bad Kanye lines (they are out there) and arguing that their pervasiveness is sufficient for him being deemed a bad MC. How about some criteria on what a good mc is even (elasticity of flow? Awareness of phrasing? The changing of rhyme scheme? Metaphors?) I was actually hoping to prompt a technical/critical discussion when I put you on the spot and the more you attack my "prose" (I didn't know everyone on here was a budding writer who laboriously worked on their expositional style, apparently I'm the only person that casually posts here) the more I think you're covering up for not having any real backing for your opinions. I mean, if I were to copy your approach to argument I could point out how ironically oblivious you were to mocking my posts with the word "gobbledeegook" and then ask you if you are 12. But it'd be easy and more importantly have no real point.

Anyhoo, this will be my last response to you as not only is this less amusing than I'd hoped, it's also derailing the thread and I actually feel bad about being vain enough to even refute your incredibly apparent vacantness.
post #114 of 191
The fickle thing about discussing art and music is that it's mostly sensorial, and thus a good percentage of the attempts at post-rationalization to satisfy people's instinctive impressions are futile or contrived. Sometimes, "this is good" or "this is shitty" is all that's really needed. Discussing hip hop music meant to be played at underage drinking parties might be one of those times.
post #115 of 191
van gogh v. richter. it's almost like the kanye v. 50 cent equivalent of the painting world.
post #116 of 191
how about you go fuck yourself. i am actually a professional writer who believes in economy of words.
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Originally Posted by boogaboogabooga View Post
Instead of attempting to insult me, how about citing some particularly bad Kanye lines (they are out there) and arguing that their pervasiveness is sufficient for him being deemed a bad MC. How about some criteria on what a good mc is even (elasticity of flow? Awareness of phrasing? The changing of rhyme scheme? Metaphors?) I was actually hoping to prompt a technical/critical discussion when I put you on the spot and the more you attack my "prose" (I didn't know everyone on here was a budding writer who laboriously worked on their expositional style, apparently I'm the only person that casually posts here) the more I think you're covering up for not having any real backing for your opinions. I mean, if I were to copy your approach to argument I could point out how ironically oblivious you were to mocking my posts with the word "gobbledeegook" and then ask you if you are 12. But it'd be easy and more importantly have no real point. Anyhoo, this will be my last response to you as not only is this less amusing than I'd hoped, it's also derailing the thread and I actually feel bad about being vain enough to even refute your incredibly apparent vacantness.
post #117 of 191
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Originally Posted by StephenHero View Post
The fickle thing about discussing art and music is that it's mostly sensorial, and thus a good percentage of the attempts at post-rationalization to satisfy people's instinctive impressions are futile or contrived. Sometimes, "this is good" or "this is shitty" is all that's really needed. Discussing hip hop music meant to be played at underage drinking parties might be one of those times.

This can be true. In fact, I would say the generally agreed upon visceral reaction to, say, the first Stooges record or early Minor Threat (being that that music is raw and elemental) is the criterion that carries the most precedent for those works. That said, their are technical criteria by which various aspects of art can be judged, there is categorical comparison, and if you want to be really high minded there is the ideological backing of art e.g. its culture or ideological aspects, as well as any extensional information that can be gleamed from art as perceived by the discerning individual or audience. Their are mechanisms exclusive to various forms as well. For music there is melody, phrasing, arranging, harmony, rhythm, instrumentation, sense of space, variation of a theme, etc.

Earlier I mentioned some modes of analysis for MC's, and while it may sound academic and dry, it's validated by the hip hop community. For instance, the Clipse on Lil Wayne "Little nigga flow but his metaphors are borin'" The more versatile you are with delivering a rhyme the more well rounded and skilled an mc you are, to summarize bordering on being reductionistic.

Also, I think hip hop has stepped beyond being disposable in response to the "underage drinking parties" bit. It is the most pervasive form of pop music. It is the most relevant form of folk music today, being music made by untrained musicians (in a classical sense) and originating from poor and working class people. Listen to "Hip Hop" by Mos Def. While it's very accessible and works on a very immediate level and is also a brilliant showcase for technique, if you know who Ralph Ellison is, anything about the war on drugs, black history, and sociology, AND song writing it's gone from just MCing to something that has way more weight subjectively, it's a bittersweet manifesto on hip hop.
post #118 of 191
Shut the fuck up.
post #119 of 191
punk had a purpose from a political and social perspective. Hip hop has alternated between being abusive/demeaning to women, inciting violence and letting every inner city kid think he had the talent to be a baller. It's a joke. And socially conscious rap is even a bigger joke, I mean, Common? C'mon.

The only two rappers who mattered are dead so this is a waste of a thread as far as I am concerned. Kanye is a fucking joke; a middle class bourgeois douchebag who's self importance and huge fan base of mostly clueless white kids isn't surprising in a generation where Facebook has made people believe their idiosyncrasies are important. He has no street cred and had a titty upbringing so what the hell does he have to say?
post #120 of 191
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Originally Posted by thekunk07 View Post
punk had a purpose from a political and social perspective. Hip hop has alternated between being abusive/demeaning to women, inciting violence and letting every inner city kid think he had the talent to be a baller. It's a joke. And socially conscious rap is even a bigger joke, I mean, Common? C'mon.

The only two rappers who mattered are dead so this is a waste of a thread as far as I am concerned. Kanye is a fucking joke; a middle class bourgeois douchebag who's self importance and huge fan base of mostly clueless white kids isn't surprising in a generation where Facebook has made people believe their idiosyncrasies are important. He has no street cred and had a titty upbringing so what the hell does he have to say?

wut? you cant possibly know anything about rap if this is how you feel.
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