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Originally Posted by
jarude 
what I would recommend is growing a pair and not feeding the supplement industry money
if you drink some coffee but tell yourself its a super elite pre-workout booster i guarantee you'll get the same effects
edit for constructiveness:
i am willing to wager you have not perfected your exercise/diet/rest/recovery routine enough to warrant "needing" a pre-workout supp. this is a case of focusing on the 2% of the picture while the other 98% goes unseen, much like any other pre- or post-WO issue. guys like arnold, while gifted with insane genetics and other beneficial attributes, did not use jack3d or any of that crap and I guarantee you he would still eat you for breakfast. maybe he didnt work out after work like you do, but unless you're doing heavy physical labour all day, actually going in the gym and working out will provide you with an energy boost.
yea, they just ate d-bol by the pound.
invalid argument is invalid.
i agree with your overall argument, though.