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post #61 of 70
11/5/10 at 6:31pm
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I'm generally the same way about food and wine, though I suspect I am even more skeptical about pairings. If I want to have a great Bordeaux, give me a roast leg of lamb. I'm much more interested in food than wine, and I think my preferences in wine speak to that. They tend to be more food friendly than blockbuster.

Still, I'm glad people can enjoy their food and wine their way.

Yes, I would never, ever get in the way of someone enjoying food and wine. But if I'm going to be drinking a great 1st growth or Burgundy, it will be with very simple food or in fact alone. It seems a shame to spoil incredible wine with another great food creation. To me they are different idioms altogether.
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post #62 of 70
11/5/10 at 7:52pm
I think you are reading something I didn't write into what I said. I tried to specifically indicate I'm not going to pop for a big $ wine off a wine list. However, I am certainly going to order wine with my meal, as I enjoy food and wine together. You seemed to be saying either food or wine, not both at the same time. I am still pretty much not for a great bottle of wine by itself. I certainly wouldn't have a gem with a meal meant to be the focal point but neither would I just drink the wine alone. Again, I stand by what I said. IMO, food and wine go together and their being together enhances my enjoyment of both. Just decide which is the star of any particular meal.
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post #63 of 70
11/5/10 at 8:20pm
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I think you are reading something I didn't write into what I said. I tried to specifically indicate I'm not going to pop for a big $ wine off a wine list. However, I am certainly going to order wine with my meal, as I enjoy food and wine together. You seemed to be saying either food or wine, not both at the same time. I am still pretty much not for a great bottle of wine by itself. I certainly wouldn't have a gem with a meal meant to be the focal point but neither would I just drink the wine alone. Again, I stand by what I said. IMO, food and wine go together and their being together enhances my enjoyment of both. Just decide which is the star of any particular meal.

I think it depends on what kind of food we're talking about. With spectacular wine I really want food to take the back seat. With something haute cuisine, I don't think you're particularly well served by having great wine.

Something as subtle and sophisticated like a great Margaux, to me, is almost destroyed by food. I might be oversensitive, I don't know. I love good wine so much that I'd rather devote my full attention to it, even though that isn't the tradition.

Different strokes, like I said I'm happy you're a patron of good food and wine. There need to be more people like you. But my best wine memories are when I've had wine alone or with the food very much taking a back seat.

In a restaurant I'm most likely to order something off the wall and not expensive, probably like you do. I have a big problem paying more than a couple hundred bucks for a bottle in a restaurant. That $200 I'm spending could buy me a Silex or Pur Sang with change.
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post #64 of 70
11/5/10 at 8:24pm
I think we're pretty much on the same page, except it sounds like you're more likely to have a great bottle of wine with absolutely nothing to eat, than what I am. When I had my bottle of Pur Sang, I had it with a few oysters on the half shell.
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post #65 of 70
11/5/10 at 8:26pm
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I think we're pretty much on the same page, except it sounds like you're more likely to have a great bottle of wine with absolutely nothing to eat, than what I am. When I had my bottle of Pur Sang, I had it with a few oysters on the half shell.
Dude, I'm sure that according to many people I'm a wine philistine. I'd much rather have a somewhat light supper then drink 2-3 mind blowing wines than eat food with wine. To me it's too decadent and you end up enjoying the food and wine a little less than if you had them separately. An old prof of mine is terminally ill so next month he's having me cook and along with 2 of his good friends (I'm close with the prof) we're going to spend a few days at his house on Shelter Island with a dozen of his absolute treasure wines.
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post #66 of 70
11/5/10 at 8:39pm
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Dude, I'm sure that according to many people I'm a wine philistine. I'd much rather have a somewhat light supper then drink 2-3 mind blowing wines than eat food with wine. To me it's too decadent and you end up enjoying the food and wine a little less than if you had them separately. An old prof of mine is terminally ill so next month he's having me cook and along with 2 of his good friends (I'm close with the prof) we're going to spend a few days at his house on Shelter Island with a dozen of his absolute treasure wines.
Tough situation. Just being curious here but how do you approach pairing great wines with food then. I've drank my best bottles either dead drunk (yeah stupid, not my own reserve) or along with food so I'm curious. Contrary to most people posting here I wouldn't consider myself a foodie or wine connaisseur, it's just part of life but not central to me.
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post #67 of 70
11/5/10 at 8:52pm
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Tough situation.

Just being curious here but how do you approach pairing great wines with food then. I've drank my best bottles either dead drunk (yeah stupid, not my own reserve) or along with food so I'm curious.

Contrary to most people posting here I wouldn't consider myself a foodie or wine connaisseur, it's just part of life but not central to me.

Well like I said, I don't like pairing wines and food all that much. Wine making has risen to such a level and some wines are so fucking expensive that it seems a pity to eat with them. To me it seems like an out dated tradition. People don't tend to eat with good scotch. I know food is not as palatable with scotch but for me food brings out too many tanins in wine and I ultimately miss the intended flavor.

I think most wine pairings at restaurants are awful. There are few times where I say to myself; "I'm glad I paid $40-200" for those wine pairings.

My ideal time for wine is 9-10 at night, a while after dinner. I will have wine with dinner for sure, but nothing I paid a lot for or am really anxious to try.

I also love lighter wines during the day, with a very light lunch or alone.
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post #68 of 70
11/5/10 at 8:54pm
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Well like I said, I don't like pairing wines and food all that much. Wine making has risen to such a level and some wines are so fucking expensive that it seems a pity to eat with them. To me it seems like an out dated tradition. People don't tend to eat with good scotch. I know food is not as palatable with scotch but for me food brings out too many tanins in wine and I ultimately miss the intended flavor. I think most wine pairings at restaurants are awful. There are few times where I say to myself; "I'm glad I paid $40-200" for those wine pairings. My ideal time for wine is 9-10 at night, a while after dinner. I will have wine with dinner for sure, but nothing I paid a lot for or am really anxious to try. I also love lighter wines during the day, with a very light lunch or alone.
So basically you'll start with lighter during eating and serve him his wines alone afterwards? I know it is not directly related to taste but how do you think it affects the social aspect of wine enjoyment? I mean good food wine is also about the shared experience and there is really strong dynamic going on during a good meal.
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post #69 of 70
11/5/10 at 9:11pm
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So basically you'll start with lighter during eating and serve him his wines alone afterwards? I know it is not directly related to taste but how do you think it affects the social aspect of wine enjoyment? I mean good food wine is also about the shared experience and there is really strong dynamic going on during a good meal.
The guy has a wine cellar out of a james bond movie. The very best stuff, he tends to drink a couple hours after dinner. He's the one who turned me onto the idea. And I mean I'm not "Serving" him anything, we're all friends, and I'm very close to his son who will be there too. He can drink whatever he wants. But generally we'll have dinner with some nice wine and then he'll crack out things that you only see at Sotheby's auctions. We still have wine with the meal but not that much. The drinking starts at maybe 9 or 10 and goes till like 2am.
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post #70 of 70
11/5/10 at 9:35pm
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Spending a week in Vegas in December. Eating is more or less planned out. Not much of a gambler. What are some interesting things to do while there? Is there some old historic bordello I can visit? Are there any interesting museums? I know some of the hotels have an art gallery. I will be going to grand canyon and hoover dam. Please offer suggestions.
Be there on December 11th
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