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post #31 of 46
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Originally Posted by GlenCoe View Post
could someone explain how does this actually work?
Sure! Paypal is pretty much the most exploitable means of online money transfer on the Internet, so that's why it's really important to buy and sell to people that you trust and have good feedback. If not, you can easily get scammed because the Paypal system works against Sufu/Styleforum for two reasons: 1) Paypal is now partnered with eBay, any transactions of disputes outside of eBay are at you own risk, and won't be investigated. So if you buy a pair of APC Jeans from me, and I send you a pair of Levis from Macys, guess what? Paypal won't care, because you acted privately instead of using eBay. The only thing Paypal cares about is if you received the item, which is number two. You are only covered by PayPal in terms of items being different than advertised (example above) through eBay, not Styleforum. 2) Paypal only cares if you received or shipped the item, and provided a tracking number. The only proof Paypal takes that you shipped an item is a tracking number. If you don't have one, you don't have a case. Here's an overly easy example of how to get scammed: -Elnatural buys a pair of jeans from Bobby. -Elnatural sends $100 via Paypal. -Bobby ships Elnatural the jeans, provides no tracking number. -Elnatural receives the jeans, but files a paypal dispute, claims he never received them. -Paypal's system checks, sees there's no tracking number submitted, automatically Elnatural is declared the dispute winner. Bobby is forced to refund me $100. Now had Elnatural filed a dispute, and Bobby stated, "Tracking ID is 515151981491" Paypal would of said, "It's been shipped to you, you received it, case closed." Plain and simple. So unless you provide a tracking number, you can get screwed by the system by an unlawful buyer. This is why it's VERY important to know your buyer, and trust him. Don't skip out on the $1.25 for tracking, it's not worth it. As for a chargeback, it works like this. You basically go over the head of Paypal, and contact your bank, say you wish to chargeback the charge via Paypal, and they will do so. I've only done this once and my experience was pretty easy. I contacted my bank, said I was scammed online and PayPal failed to acknowledge this-- My bank immediately issued a chargeback to PayPal. PayPal immediately contacted the person I purchased an item from (who was a scammer), and forced him to refund me. It's hard to explain in an analogy, but you basically force Paypal into returning your money. PayPal I guess doesn't have any control over your bank account and can't fight a chargeback. So you're automatically entitled to your money back through your bank. (Note: This only works with a credit card, not debits) I'm not posting this to encourage scammers, though I suppose someone could learn how to scam from this, but it's more of a warning to get a tracking number, and to know your buyer.
post #32 of 46
Thanks for the information.
post #33 of 46
suave had about thirty pms with me trying to sell me his iphone. He kept pushing for a gift, and I told him I'd have no protection. He also sold it to another user, but the other user told me he paid using a regular payment ensuring protection. He tried to enter a trade with me, and asked me to send first. He also continued trying to sell it, and I finally called him on it, and he said "oh I just checked my paypal, and it is sold" or something to that affect. Here are some PMs
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Originally Posted by Suave
bananarepublic1340@yahoo.com are you able to send payment as a gift to avoid fees and avoid my possible account limited access. i have a new account, and was told new accounts receiving large payments tend to get accounts put on limited access. sending as gift would avoid that hassle, but if you don't feel comfortable doing that i understand
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Originally Posted by Suave
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Originally Posted by skywalker
The picture says you can still withdraw $2000. As long as you give them a tracking number, you won't be limited to my knowledge.
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Originally Posted by Suave
my new account also has the sending limit they automatically put on http://s961.photobucket.com/albums/a...nt=paypal2.jpg dont want to sound shady i just was trying to avoid the hassle of a possible limited access account hit me back
its something paypal automatically scans for and does with or without tracking. after my account gets put on limited the tracking becomes an issue. i was just trying to avoid the hassle, that's all. i am 100% legit and do own the item i am selling
Several more PMs, there were plenty of things that didn't add up. I also ended up pming discussing this with a member who actually did buy so he'd end up okay.
post #34 of 46
Just though I should say, I pmed a new member... Well he only had 10 posts, and requested a gift payment. Put it this way... Not even going to bother to respond
post #35 of 46
+1. Thanks for spelling this all out, especially how you can go straight to your bank and get a chargeback. Good to know.

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Originally Posted by elnatural View Post
Sure! Paypal is pretty much the most exploitable means of online money transfer on the Internet, so that's why it's really important to buy and sell to people that you trust and have good feedback. If not, you can easily get scammed because the Paypal system works against Sufu/Styleforum for two reasons:

1) Paypal is now partnered with eBay, any transactions of disputes outside of eBay are at you own risk, and won't be investigated. So if you buy a pair of APC Jeans from me, and I send you a pair of Levis from Macys, guess what? Paypal won't care, because you acted privately instead of using eBay. The only thing Paypal cares about is if you received the item, which is number two. You are only covered by PayPal in terms of items being different than advertised (example above) through eBay, not Styleforum.


2) Paypal only cares if you received or shipped the item, and provided a tracking number. The only proof Paypal takes that you shipped an item is a tracking number. If you don't have one, you don't have a case. Here's an overly easy example of how to get scammed:


-Elnatural buys a pair of jeans from Bobby.
-Elnatural sends $100 via Paypal.
-Bobby ships Elnatural the jeans, provides no tracking number.
-Elnatural receives the jeans, but files a paypal dispute, claims he never received them.
-Paypal's system checks, sees there's no tracking number submitted, automatically Elnatural is declared the dispute winner. Bobby is forced to refund me $100.

Now had Elnatural filed a dispute, and Bobby stated, "Tracking ID is 515151981491" Paypal would of said, "It's been shipped to you, you received it, case closed."

Plain and simple. So unless you provide a tracking number, you can get screwed by the system by an unlawful buyer. This is why it's VERY important to know your buyer, and trust him. Don't skip out on the $1.25 for tracking, it's not worth it.



As for a chargeback, it works like this. You basically go over the head of Paypal, and contact your bank, say you wish to chargeback the charge via Paypal, and they will do so. I've only done this once and my experience was pretty easy. I contacted my bank, said I was scammed online and PayPal failed to acknowledge this-- My bank immediately issued a chargeback to PayPal. PayPal immediately contacted the person I purchased an item from (who was a scammer), and forced him to refund me.

It's hard to explain in an analogy, but you basically force Paypal into returning your money. PayPal I guess doesn't have any control over your bank account and can't fight a chargeback. So you're automatically entitled to your money back through your bank. (Note: This only works with a credit card, not debits)



I'm not posting this to encourage scammers, though I suppose someone could learn how to scam from this, but it's more of a warning to get a tracking number, and to know your buyer.
post #36 of 46
Wait actually I got scammed over the summer, and I think it is too late but next time if I get ripped off through paypal and I want to do a charge back, let's say I pay with money already in my account, can I request a chargebak then? Or do I have to pay with the credit card through paypal? Or am I eligible to do a chargeback either way? sorry if that's a noob question, but I have never done a chargeback.
post #37 of 46
Gotta pay with the CC.
post #38 of 46
suave scammed me with an iphone kept sending it to wrong addresses pretending that he didint know how to ship then disappeared with my money also scammed a guy out of an ipod touch his name is kevan thomas and usese various "banana republic" email addresses i believe he lives in deleware his phone number is 302 252 7589
post #39 of 46
with all these people scammed, someone should contact the 5-0.
post #40 of 46
post #41 of 46
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Originally Posted by JohnGalt View Post
with all these people scammed, someone should contact the 5-0.

This is really true, earlier in the thread someone said he's technically committing mail fraud.
post #42 of 46
Just to let people know, paypal declined my claim, because he provided with a tracking ref. I will be now filing a chargeback with my card company.
post #43 of 46
they tried to deny mine too, but i argued and spoke to a supervisor, etc. and told them how the tracking number was fake and that i have proof and they reversed the charges on the spot. i think SUAVE still got his money and paypal took the hit in my case. i would love to see this punk ass behind bars.
post #44 of 46
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Originally Posted by anonymouschris View Post
they tried to deny mine too, but i argued and spoke to a supervisor, etc. and told them how the tracking number was fake and that i have proof and they reversed the charges on the spot. i think SUAVE still got his money and paypal took the hit in my case. i would love to see this punk ass behind bars.

Good to know. I'll give them a call tomorrow. Cheers.
post #45 of 46
looks like he's at it again. photo of jeans is hosted from same photobucket account.

http://www.styleforum.net/showthread.php?t=215170



http://i961.photobucket.com/albums/ae97/suave19510/untitled-1.jpg


also, same guy as *intellect*, dude tried to rip me off before by selling me a similar pair of jeans for a cheap price:

http://www.styleforum.net/showthread.php?t=194783


the bastard even posted on the same thread under suave:

http://www.styleforum.net/showpost.p...7&postcount=89


real name: ryan thomas
address: 526 stafford ave
newark, de 19711

email: ryanthomas1347@yahoo.com, rjt76@aol.com

ebay: jmp420
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