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post #3886 of 3961
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Originally Posted by dieworkwear View Post

This thread consistently attracts more angry people than Hezbollah.
LOL, thanks for the laugh. It would be even funnier if I didn't have half the people in this thread on my block list. biggrin.gif
post #3887 of 3961
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Originally Posted by jerrybrowne View Post


Yeah. I'm not sure why and I hope I am not contributing to it b/c I actually like NSM. I'm just noticing lots of changes.

 

I've not been a customer long enough, but Dino/Michael(?) still looks the same, wearing the same jacket and using the same camcorder.  And still friendly as three years ago.

post #3888 of 3961
Accusations of lacking handwork are pretty rich coming from someone who says Kiton "has no competitors only imitators."

http://www.styleforum.net/t/39123/kiton-what-is-really-inside-lots-of-pics

I am proud to call Mina and Dino my friends, have had many things made by them, and have also written favorable articles about them (although not in return for clothing - I have paid for everything I've ordered from them), so take this with a grain of salt. But I've observed a really unusual amount of animosity towards Mina from some people within the Neapolitan tailoring community, I think mainly because she is female and is now having much more success than they are. Many tailors have spent decades working on their craft and are resentful that this female intruder should be getting a lot of business selling Neapolitan style to foreigners, and that they have to go to her asking for a job.

I suppose some of that frustration is understandable. Economic dislocation is painful, and Italy has been particularly hard-hit by the crisis. But I find it particularly unfortunate that some of her critics fall back on the trope of Neapolitan dishonesty. I know that Mina takes her role as an ambassador for Naples and Neapolitan culture very seriously. One of her goals as a businesswoman, I might even say her main goal, is to do something towards replacing the world's image of the Neapolitan as a trickster or mafioso with an appreciation of the cultural riches Naples has to offer.

I know nothing about current standards of shirt production at NsM, so I can't speak towards this particular issue. But if you feel that you got something different than what you ordered, or what you were expecting given previous orders, address it with Mina and I'm sure that she will do everything she can to make you happy. It sounds like this is what jerry's plan is anyway. It could be she started using someone new for shirts, and there was some miscommunication about how much handwork should be done. I have no idea. She has big plans for spending an extended period of time in New York this fall. I doubt she would jeopardize the success of that venture in order to save herself a few bucks on a shirt.
post #3889 of 3961
ubr, I've said this many times on the forum: If you're going to be reasonable and fair, we'll never get anywhere.
post #3890 of 3961
Thread Starter 
I've just taken delivery of several shirts, and they appear identical in fit and construction to others I've received going back three years. Am with Mina and Djno next week in London and will ask if they've switched out production or added new shirtmakers.
post #3891 of 3961
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Originally Posted by unbelragazzo View Post

Accusations of lacking handwork are pretty rich coming from someone who says Kiton "has no competitors only imitators."

http://www.styleforum.net/t/39123/kiton-what-is-really-inside-lots-of-pics

I am proud to call Mina and Dino my friends, have had many things made by them, and have also written favorable articles about them (although not in return for clothing - I have paid for everything I've ordered from them), so take this with a grain of salt. But I've observed a really unusual amount of animosity towards Mina from some people within the Neapolitan tailoring community, I think mainly because she is female and is now having much more success than they are. Many tailors have spent decades working on their craft and are resentful that this female intruder should be getting a lot of business selling Neapolitan style to foreigners, and that they have to go to her asking for a job.

I suppose some of that frustration is understandable. Economic dislocation is painful, and Italy has been particularly hard-hit by the crisis. But I find it particularly unfortunate that some of her critics fall back on the trope of Neapolitan dishonesty. I know that Mina takes her role as an ambassador for Naples and Neapolitan culture very seriously. One of her goals as a businesswoman, I might even say her main goal, is to do something towards replacing the world's image of the Neapolitan as a trickster or mafioso with an appreciation of the cultural riches Naples has to offer.

I know nothing about current standards of shirt production at NsM, so I can't speak towards this particular issue. But if you feel that you got something different than what you ordered, or what you were expecting given previous orders, address it with Mina and I'm sure that she will do everything she can to make you happy. It sounds like this is what jerry's plan is anyway. It could be she started using someone new for shirts, and there was some miscommunication about how much handwork should be done. I have no idea. She has big plans for spending an extended period of time in New York this fall. I doubt she would jeopardize the success of that venture in order to save herself a few bucks on a shirt.

We have another evil manipulator here that as the others, is gonna be OWNED on a second.

We seem to have a Simon Craptom here...

Off topic the jackets, we are talking about SHIRTS and about a client who allegued have paid for a class a product and have got a class c.

On your own words, if you do not got a clue about all this, why do you write trying to dishonour people?

Do you think her shirts can be compared with best around that everyone but you know are Kiton? even this is also off topic.

Do you know any person who has commisioned a Kiton shirt and got a lesser than 24 hand passages if i do not recall bad as seems to have happened with Mina and her poor only 5 or 6 passages instead converted into 1,2 or 0 as might be the case?

If you ever know it happened on Kiton please let us know and will even be myself the one who redo the shirt to the real standart and talk to the owners to give another for free as idemnization.

Seems not the case and owned eh buddy?

An applause and prize for 0 dignity of the day.


I am realicing that all who are defending this crime lack of honour and dignity and act as football hooligans and/or are related to the brand.

I wonder if this has to be related that might be their only low budget way to get neapolitan garments to fullfill their narcissistic ego and can't digest their dignitygiver might act this way.

Just my psychoanalisis as is the third time i read the same out of reality attack instead of being humild and accept their socialdignitygiver allegued scammed a client.

Shame!

I was thinking about this thread this afternoon when my fruit seller again tried to fool me charguing me 2 kilos where the weight showed 1.5. This poster and two last defend it.

More low dignity people to my ignore list. I do not handle with crime supporters and less when they are ruining my business.

If this is true, i regret having recommended Mina to low budget foreigners who can't pay the top ones and there is nothing bad about. I also can't.
Edited by SartodiNapoli - 4/28/14 at 12:54pm
post #3892 of 3961
Is there some confusion here between the prices paid in the US for NsM shirts and what one can get on the ground in Naples? I'm all for saving money and so on, but it's hard to get uncritically behind a recommendation that starts with "hop a flight to Rome."
post #3893 of 3961
You are an idiot and should be banned. You are accusing them of being criminals and that is flat out a lie. Go schill your sh*t somewhere else.
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Originally Posted by SartodiNapoli View Post

We have another evil manipulator here that as the others, is gonna be OWNED on a second.

We seem to have a Simon Craptom here...

Off topic the jackets, we are talking about SHIRTS and about a client who allegued have paid for a class a product and have got a class c.

On your own words, if you not a clue about all this, why do you write trying to dishonour people?



I am realicing that all who are defending this crime lack of honour and dignity and act as football hooligans and/or are related to the brand.

I wonder if this has to be related that might be their only low budget way to get neapolitan garments to fullfill their narcissistic ego and can't digest their dignitygiver might act as a crook.

Just my psychoanalisis as is the third time i read the same out of reality attack instead of being humild and accept their socialdignitygiver allegued scammed a client.

Shame!

I was thinking about this thread this afternoon when my fruit seller again tried to fool me charguing me 2 kilos where the weight showed 1.5. This poster and two last defend it.

More low dignity people to my ignore list. I do not handle with crime supporters and less when they are ruining my business.

If this is true, i regret having recommended Mina to low budget foreigners who can't pay the top ones and there is nothing bad about. I also can't
post #3894 of 3961
This is getting a bit out of hand and I am sorry to have even brought any of this up. For the record, I am a supporter of NSM and am happy with what I have received and will continue ordering from them. I would never suggest that they are scamming anyone. Dino and Mina are nice people and are principled. I simply noticed some changes to the last shirt order.

It is totally possible that this was an isolated incident resulting from an error on the part of one of their tailors. I will speak with them about this the next time they are in town. I am sure that they will fix things regardless. If they have changed how the shirts are made as standard practice, then I will reevaluate. No big deal.
post #3895 of 3961
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Originally Posted by JL724 View Post

You are an idiot and should be banned. You are accusing them of being criminals and that is flat out a lie. Go schill your sh*t somewhere else.

I am defending a client who allegued a fraud ergo legaly is a crime whatever you like it or not i do not lie but follow the law and moral principles others to not aim you directly seems to lack, not talking about the education to insult others as on your case.

.An applause again.

A guy insulting asking for the ban of another who is helping a scammed client. Fourth guy on a row supporting fraud. What would do the fifth? Shame all this behaviour, i pass of this thread, too much hooliganism and lack of everything good.
post #3896 of 3961
I am a little confused. So basically tailors are irritated when customers are unhappy about stuff. Tailors say the pesky customers should just deal with it. Maybe there is a distinct reason Mina gets so much of their business. While I am not a customer of Mina there seems to be many accounts posted here where she does her best to make clients happy.

I do think some people need to lighten up. Mistakes are made, I don't necessarily think people are always trying to "scam" you. Shit happens, address it with the tailor and move on.
post #3897 of 3961
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Originally Posted by patrickBOOTH View Post

I am a little confused. So basically tailors are irritated when customers are unhappy about stuff. Tailors say the pesky customers should just deal with it. Maybe there is a distinct reason Mina gets so much of their business. While I am not a customer of Mina there seems to be many accounts posted here where she does her best to make clients happy.

I do think some people need to lighten up. Mistakes are made, I don't necessarily think people are always trying to "scam" you. Shit happens, address it with the tailor and move on.
Or stop buying her shirts for $400 and move on to Louis where you can pay $800 and up for Kiton that might not be your size. I've heard that their shirts are very nicely made.
post #3898 of 3961
The only person alleging any sort of scam is SartodiNapoli. Now that that's clear, if we all just ignore him eventually one of his minders will find him and put him back in his Kiton straitjacket.
post #3899 of 3961
There's probably a lesson for everyone here to be learned.

As always in life, if you have a compliant with someone you have hired to do a job for you, your first action should surely be to take it up with them and allow them the chance to correct their mistake. Since we are all human, I assume we all make mistakes. Allow someone to correct that mistake.

The first step should NOT be to post on an Internet forum in my opinion. If this lady refuses to correct the error, then I guess you could move to posting on here about it. But let's all be aware that what is written online stays pretty much online forever, unless the website owner is willing to delete it. That means someone's business reputation can be permanently damaged sadly.

I noticed on this thread and on the other non Italian thread about the Irish tailor setting up in New York, there seems to be a move on styleforum towards trying to trash people's business online. Yes, maybe it's ok to question their pricing, or maybe someone's work is not as nice as someone else's in the same price band.

But let's let the actual CUSTOMERS decide this, surely iGents acting as judge jury and executioner of products that have never passed thought their own hands is not helping anyone?

There was a comment about only using this lady because they couldn't afford the "real thing" in Naples. Well yes, that's generally they way consumers buy products in any given niche - you buy the best you can afford and hope to be happy with it. Surely there is no shame in that? Or should people who can't afford rubinacci, kiton or savile row houses not dare to try bespoke tailoring?

I feel very strongly about this issue because I actually have a family member who is a craftsman. The thought that someone would go online and try to trash their reputation without giving them the chance to reply or even to rectify their mistake is pretty disturbing. We are talking about peoples livelihoods here.
post #3900 of 3961
I think you are overanalyzing this. It is perfectly reasonable for someone to describe a problem and ask if others have had it or for any other advice. It is always good for people to share experiences as it makes the process more familiar to people who might otherwise find it mystifying. This thread got a little bit diverted, but there is really no reason not to expect that reasonable people will read it and understand perfectly well what has and hasn't happened.
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