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post #3436 of 3961
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Those who have ordered from Anderson & Sheppard.

Ah, that's right. I was there when Hitchcock told Manton that the pitch of his sleeves would adjust itself over time. True "artisans."
post #3437 of 3961
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As for your other point: I don't think it is doing anyone any good to hold back criticism. Neither NSM, nor any other tailor, is doing anyone any favors. They take money for their work. It is not art or charity. It's clothing you worked hard to pay for. We don't hold back our critiques of restaurants, plumbers, doctors, etc. Why are tailors different? Don't fool yourself.

 

    I'm sorry, but, you're the one fooling yourself. Being polite doesn't bias our critique towards the subject, it just shows that  we're polite, nothing else.

post #3438 of 3961
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 I'm sorry, but, you're the one fooling yourself. Being polite doesn't bias our critique towards the subject, it just shows that  we're polite, nothing else.

 

Not mentioning imperfections of your bespoke garments to the tailor may be polite, yes, but it's not helping to improve the product or the tailor's skills.

post #3439 of 3961
The point is to critique in a polite way, not to avoid critiquing. Critiquing is not inpolite, the way we critique (using something such as "pa-fucked" or a haughty manner, for example) can be inpolite if we aren't cautious enough.
Do not fool yourself, paying someone should not get you the best customer service. It often does, only to show how corrupt our society has become. And if you can't understand this, I give up on you.
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Expecting best customer service = corrupt society?

I politely request some elaboration... confused.gif
post #3441 of 3961
First, good customer service is far too complex, but, for the purposes of this discussion, relate it to politeness and honesty.
Regarding your question, the answer is no, the relation is not so simple. Not seeing that the actual relation between both is corrupt is to fool yourself. It's a fact that paying more does often get you a better customer service, but it shouldn't and thinking that it should is to corrupt/fool yourself.
Boy, how did we get on this subject? =D
post #3442 of 3961
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 I'm sorry, but, you're the one fooling yourself. Being polite doesn't bias our critique towards the subject, it just shows that  we're polite, nothing else.

Not mentioning imperfections of your bespoke garments to the tailor may be polite, yes, but it's not helping to improve the product or the tailor's skills.



You can and should voice anything to your tailor - praise, suggestions, questions or complaints - but as in all other situations in life, in a polite and gentlemanly, cultivated and genteel way.

This is perhaps difficult to comprehend if one only strive to dress as a gentleman peepwall[1].gif
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You can and should voice anything to your tailor - praise, suggestions, questions or complaints - but as in all other situations in life, in a polite and gentlemanly, cultivated and genteel way.

 

Of course.

 

But I doubt that Foo (or anyone else) would walk up to NSM and actually ask "Yo dawg, what is goin' on with that pa-fucked shoulder?!"

 

On another note, I think it has been established more than once by now that this is Styleforum, and not Gentlemanforum confused.gif

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Of course.

But I doubt that Foo (or anyone else) would walk up to NSM and actually ask "Yo dawg, what is goin' on with that pa-fucked shoulder?!"

On another note, I think it has been established more than once by now that this is Styleforum, and not Gentlemanforum confused.gif

Exactly. The insultingly paternalistic lecturing from the likes of Victor or Butler on being polite are extremely tiresome--worse, extremely insulting, and worst of all, naive. This is an internet forum, not the Union Club.
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Of course.

But I doubt that Foo (or anyone else) would walk up to NSM and actually ask "Yo dawg, what is goin' on with that pa-fucked shoulder?!"

On another note, I think it has been established more than once by now that this is Styleforum, and not Gentlemanforum confused.gif

Exactly. The insultingly paternalistic lecturing from the likes of Victor or Butler on being polite are extremely tiresome--worse, extremely insulting, and worst of all, naive. This is an internet forum, not the Union Club.



Oh, I do beg your pardon - so StyleForumnites can or should not behave in a polite way in life - pardon my paternalistic naivety which prohibits me from prolonging this exchange for a couple of hundred posts bigstar[1].gif
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     Thank you, Foo, for your description on the NSM house style. It wasn't what I asked, but I can subtract from your answer the key aspects when analyzing a coat's silhouette.

 

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Exactly. The insultingly paternalistic lecturing from the likes of Victor or Butler on being polite are extremely tiresome--worse, extremely insulting, and worst of all, naive. This is an Internet forum, not the Union Club.

 

      No need to be insulted, some just can't understand those concepts.

    What's the difference between the social relations at an Internet forum and at the "real life"? Only one: in the real life the consequences for your actions are more significant. Not sure if you had studied Politics yet, but this logic is purely associated with corrupted persons.

     It's quite pitiful how saying that everyone should be equally respectful with everyone regardless of their paycheck is subject to such controversy.

     I'm not going to continue on this, it's pointless. Go read Al Farabi and you're going to understand better.

      

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So any one with new commissions to show? Used to love this thread.
post #3448 of 3961
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I'm not sure why we need to speak respectfully of any tailor's work. It was paid for, with real money, no? Good work is owed for the price paid. When we start worshipping tailors, we stop getting good tailoring. NSM tailoring is highly variable, from what we've seen. Some examples are okay, most are somewhat problematic, and a few are really bad. .

 

I don't agree with the Foo on some of his NSM hate, but I do broadly agree with this point. There certainly is some level of inconsistency to their work - the styling of my coats do vary (often quite a bit) from order to order, despite no requests from my end. The fit has always been decent, so I haven't bothered to complain. But the inconsistency is certainly present, and I chalk that up to the revolving stable of tailors they have on employ.
post #3449 of 3961
The fit in my last few NSM suits is better than in my first commission. I chalked this up to the normal run-in period with a new tailor, and also my getting a better realization of what I like.

FWIW I'm waering an 8 oz. Fresco NSM suit today, and a friend's father told me I "looked sharp."
post #3450 of 3961
How's your friend's father's taste? It could be questionable.
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