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^^ have you seen the trousermaker on location making the trousers? I have already read stories in this thread that I know for a fact to be at best inaccurate...
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Originally Posted by marcodalondra View Post

^^ have you seen the trousermaker on location making the trousers? I have already read stories in this thread that I know for a fact to be at best inaccurate...

Do you know that the trousers are outsourced? Your opinion seems to be based on nothing more than the (unsupported) idea that their volume couldn't sustain a single full-time trousermaker.
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The focus on actual facts that has begun creeping into this thread is becoming a little tiresome.
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The focus on actual facts that has begun creeping into this thread is becoming a little tiresome.

As tiresome as people stating as fact something that is at best an informed guess and at worst a complete fabrication?
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As tiresome as people stating as fact something that is at best an informed guess and at worst a complete fabrication?
You are going to like the internet.
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She hasn't used Volpe since 2009 - everything has been in-house since then. My coats have been inconsistent as well, but uniformly good, so I've never had cause to complain.The trousers are always top-notch.

Can you speak more to this? What are those inconsistencies you are referring to? I've only had three garments made by them so far and they are all very similar. All this talk about inconsistent garments makes them less attractive.
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As stated in many threads before I happen to have met several trousermakers working for many of the top Sartoria in the city. Most of them are based in the Quartieri. The Mola/Cerrato family has been making trousers for three generation for example. In any case , I clearly stated it was my thoughts based on knowledge of the industry in Naples as well as doubting other facts stated in this thread, that I know to be inesact. Mine is still a personal thought against other suppositions and therefore I can surely be wrong, and would be interesting to see evidence to that extent.
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I have only noticed small variations in the pocket shape or DB lapel belly shape. I haven't noticed variations in fit or silhouette.
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Originally Posted by marcodalondra View Post

As stated in many threads before I happen to have met several trousermakers working for many of the top Sartoria in the city. Most of them are based in the Quartieri. The Mola/Cerrato family has been making trousers for three generation for example. In any case , I clearly stated it was my thoughts based on knowledge of the industry in Naples as well as doubting other facts stated in this thread, that I know to be inesact. Mine is still a personal thought against other suppositions and therefore I can surely be wrong, and would be interesting to see evidence to that extent.

Fair enough, sorry for jumping on you. You did make it clear in your OP that it was your opinion. Like I said, the only thing I'm going on is Mina's comments musing over where to locate her pantsmakers. I guess it's possible she's making up her own pantsmakers to then dream about where to put them, but you can make up your own mind. FWIW, at least until the new location opens, her workshops are outside Naples. Once the new location is fully furnished, some, but not all, of the tailors will move to work there.
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Originally Posted by marcodalondra View Post

As stated in many threads before I happen to have met several trousermakers working for many of the top Sartoria in the city. Most of them are based in the Quartieri. The Mola/Cerrato family has been making trousers for three generation for example. In any case , I clearly stated it was my thoughts based on knowledge of the industry in Naples as well as doubting other facts stated in this thread, that I know to be inesact. Mine is still a personal thought against other suppositions and therefore I can surely be wrong, and would be interesting to see evidence to that extent.

Would you mind elaborating on what inaccuracies you have read in this thread? I would also be curious to know where your information comes from?

Thank you,
Aaron
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Can you speak more to this? What are those inconsistencies you are referring to? I've only had three garments made by them so far and they are all very similar. All this talk about inconsistent garments makes them less attractive.

 

Some are tighter than the norm, have a higher buttoning point, different pocket shapes / sizes etc. They all universally fit well and look good, so I just let these issues pass.
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Originally Posted by unbelragazzo View Post

Fair enough, sorry for jumping on you. You did make it clear in your OP that it was your opinion. Like I said, the only thing I'm going on is Mina's comments musing over where to locate her pantsmakers. I guess it's possible she's making up her own pantsmakers to then dream about where to put them, but you can make up your own mind. FWIW, at least until the new location opens, her workshops are outside Naples. Once the new location is fully furnished, some, but not all, of the tailors will move to work there.

Have you ever been to Naples? Mola serves over 10 sartoria plus produce an RTW line for the Japanese market out of what would be at best a store room in many houses in USA. Pasquale is the only cutter and has his brother and sisters working with him. Cerrato, his nephew, has a separate operation, probably twice the size. Other trouser makers have similar, family run operation. Now a good trouser maker (cutter) even at the outsourced rate per trouser, with a consistent output for several sartoria, will earn way too much for him to consider leaving to go and be employed by anyone, less for a small/to medium operation. The operation employing them would need to pay them e considerable amount of money for them to work esclusivly for them, and this would need to be outweighted by very large volumes. This would be on top of the cutter and other tailors (that make the iron and needle work). Considering also the very reasonable prices and the fact that only Rubinacci seems to employ his own trousermaker (and his prices are about 2.5-3 times then the average in Naples from what was discussed on this forum), so this is my "informed" guess.
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nm.
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Yes, I've been twice - but I don't know the people you mention. All I'm going on is things that Mina has said that seemed pretty clearly to imply that she had somebody in-house making trousers. It's possible either I misunderstood what she said in Italian or over-inferred, but my understanding based on what she said was that they did everything in-house.
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