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post #46 of 60
10/31/10 at 3:09pm
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Regardless of the science on longevity, we can all agree that fatties are gross, right?

fuckin' disgusting brah
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post #47 of 60
10/31/10 at 8:02pm
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Originally Posted by globetrotter View Post
ok, so one of the big arguments people here have against fat people is how unhealthy they are. I was just at a company meeting, and there were 4 very attractive young people, two couples, each about 30.

1. they tan 2-3 times a week, for years. one of the women literally looks like she is partially african american, and she is fully swedsih heritage.

2. they smoke, cigarettes, at least a pack a day


so, what are the general thoughts on this? I think that it is a very strong argument to say "hey, I don't want to fuck a fat chick" but the whole "they are unhealthy" argument is hard to carry, when you are doing things like tanning and smoking.
Here's the thing brosephine. Smokers and people who tan are not delusional about their situation. I smoke and I know it's not healthy. Go talk to the next fat girl you see now. She'll probably go anal when you tell her she has a health issue, unless she's one of those who's gonna blame it all on genetics. She'll tell you you can't appreciate a real woman with curves and make you believe she knows she's sexy as fuck. You'll be left wondering how she can have self-confidence like this, but what you don't know is that she'll go home and cry herself to sleep immediately after eating her pain away.

And to be honest, I'd rather have a skin melanoma or a lung cancer than a fat fuck's holy trinity (diabetes, hypertension and hypercholesterolemia). Cancer's much cooler.
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post #48 of 60
10/31/10 at 10:25pm
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Here's the thing brosephine. Smokers and people who tan are not delusional about their situation. I smoke and I know it's not healthy. Go talk to the next fat girl you see now. She'll probably go anal when you tell her she has a health issue, unless she's one of those who's gonna blame it all on genetics. She'll tell you you can't appreciate a real woman with curves and make you believe she knows she's sexy as fuck. You'll be left wondering how she can have self-confidence like this, but what you don't know is that she'll go home and cry herself to sleep immediately after eating her pain away. And to be honest, I'd rather have a skin melanoma or a lung cancer than a fat fuck's holy trinity (diabetes, hypertension and hypercholesterolemia). Cancer's much cooler.
Umm, last I knew, diabetes and hypertension were rather manageable conditions, unlike the former you listed, which can put you six feet under in short order. BTW, I'm a little over a half pack a day smoker and I do tan for 5-6 minutes, a few times a month during the winter months.
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post #49 of 60
10/31/10 at 10:53pm
Nobody I know tries to conceal the fact that they slept with a smoker or a white chick that tans enough to look like Pocahontas. Bang a fatty and you gotta be sneaky bout that shit.
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post #50 of 60
10/31/10 at 11:00pm
^^LOL
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post #51 of 60
11/1/10 at 9:18am
Do people ever wonder why after 1000s of years of walking under the sun, it's all of a sudden bad for us? Just saying. Cigarettes are a whole another thing, but the two are actually related in the fact that there are groups of people more predisposed to getting negative effects from either tanning or smoking.
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post #52 of 60
11/1/10 at 10:58am
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Do people ever wonder why after 1000s of years of walking under the sun, it's all of a sudden bad for us? Just saying. Cigarettes are a whole another thing, but the two are actually related in the fact that there are groups of people more predisposed to getting negative effects from either tanning or smoking.

Because for those thousands of years, people were not literally under the sun. It's the proximity that does the damage. Case in point, it's my understanding that airline pilots have higher incidences of cancer simply due to the fact that they are exposed to more and stronger cosmic radiation than normal. They're not all that much higher up in a cosmic scale, but it already makes a difference.

On the predisposition issue, again it's the fact that genetics may play an underlying role, but you still need to trigger it. There's no guarantee that those genes won't set off on their own, but by doing something like tanning, you're playing with fire. In other words, just because "it's in my genes" doesn't make it inevitable. That's oversimplying things. We're quick to blame genetics when there are so many other behavioural triggers that we can avoid. You only hear of the people who die of lung cancer who don't smoke, for example, in the same way you think flying is dangerous. You only hear of the exceptional cases, the outliers. You don't hear about the guy with predisposition for lung cancer, who died of lung cancer but who could have avoided it had he not smoked at all, because no one would ever know if that's true or not.
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post #53 of 60
11/1/10 at 12:23pm
Let's make it clear though. Some cave person living under the sun with no sunscreen was considered a pensioner's age at age 30. I would assume even with poor hygeine and complete lack of cosmetics, the human body could cope with that.
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post #54 of 60
11/1/10 at 1:10pm
^ Exactly. As recently as 1850, the median age of the most developed countries was still well under 20, as it still is, today, in places characterized by poverty. https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...elds/2177.html Median age in US now is what, about 38? The sun is more dangerous for our skin because we live in it so much longer.
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post #55 of 60
11/1/10 at 6:03pm
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Originally Posted by Stylin-1 View Post
Umm, last I knew, diabetes and hypertension were rather manageable conditions, unlike the former you listed, which can put you six feet under in short order. BTW, I'm a little over a half pack a day smoker and I do tan for 5-6 minutes, a few times a month during the winter months.
Yeah, but nobody can see my lungs. They can see if I'm fat though. Smoking's an addiction and a stupid one, but we all die anyway. As for tanning, I find that completely stupid and dangerously unhealthy. Oh, and a melanoma can be treated, unless it's detected too late. But then again, if you don't go see a doctor when a mole appears on your body and starts growing, you probably deserve to die. Natural selection brah.
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post #56 of 60
11/1/10 at 6:35pm
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Oh, and a melanoma can be treated, unless it's detected too late. But then again, if you don't go see a doctor when a mole appears on your body and starts growing, you probably deserve to die. Natural selection brah.

How often do you look at your scalp?
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post #57 of 60
11/1/10 at 8:13pm
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How often do you look at your scalp?

Daily. But hey, life's a bitch, shit happens. Skin cancer induced by exposition to UV rays is much more likely to happen in body areas that are more exposed to sun rays.

Oh and, to the guy who complains that sun rays have suddenly become dangerous, I didn't know they had tanning salons back in the prehistoric era. And who the fuck knew what cancer was all about? Just a few decades ago, researchers were pretty sure it was only induced by viral infection.
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post #58 of 60
11/2/10 at 10:39am
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Originally Posted by fwiffo View Post
Let's make it clear though. Some cave person living under the sun with no sunscreen was considered a pensioner's age at age 30. I would assume even with poor hygeine and complete lack of cosmetics, the human body could cope with that.

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^ Exactly. As recently as 1850, the median age of the most developed countries was still well under 20, as it still is, today, in places characterized by poverty.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...elds/2177.html

Median age in US now is what, about 38?

The sun is more dangerous for our skin because we live in it so much longer.

This is a myth perpetuated by many sources. If you take infant mortality and male accidental death out of the equation, you'll find out that many lived to our retirement age as well. The whole "30 year old old man" thing is a complete joke.

As far as the causes of actual skin cancer... Let's not just use an overly simplistic "sun exposure" as a factor here, because there are numerous other things at play here. Regular and moderated sun exposure is definitely not the main culprit, except for the tiny group who have a natural predisposition to skin cancer via genetics.
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post #59 of 60
11/3/10 at 9:29am
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Originally Posted by Flambeur View Post
This is a myth perpetuated by many sources. If you take infant mortality and male accidental death out of the equation, you'll find out that many lived to our retirement age as well. The whole "30 year old old man" thing is a complete joke.

Huh?

So to misuse Hobbes - life wasn't "nasty, brutish and short"?
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post #60 of 60
11/5/10 at 3:27pm
I say you can horse around being fat, tanning and even smoking for a while and then it is time to get fit, lose the fake bake, and knock off the butts. The cumulative effect kicks in at about 40 and at 50 or so, it really makes a difference. Your skin is like shoe leather, being fat is just unhealthy, and there is no case to be made for smoking: it kills and it makes you stink. It really is now just for the lower social orders. No question building muscle is key and as for tanning, a self-tanning lotion does a decent job. You can't look really tan year-round, the exception being George Hamilton.
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