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post #1 of 60
10/29/10 at 11:26am
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ok, so one of the big arguments people here have against fat people is how unhealthy they are. I was just at a company meeting, and there were 4 very attractive young people, two couples, each about 30.

1. they tan 2-3 times a week, for years. one of the women literally looks like she is partially african american, and she is fully swedsih heritage.

2. they smoke, cigarettes, at least a pack a day


so, what are the general thoughts on this? I think that it is a very strong argument to say "hey, I don't want to fuck a fat chick" but the whole "they are unhealthy" argument is hard to carry, when you are doing things like tanning and smoking.
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post #2 of 60
10/29/10 at 11:52am
I don't think smoking means you're fat. In fact, I had an old work mate who was convinced she could only lose weight by smoking - and quickly resumed after having a child.

But at 30 - your body can take quite a beating before any signs of aging settle in.

I guess if you had to commit to one of them you'd have to question their longevity. From my limited experience in life, I find there's always a time when a switch flips and you start aging rapidly for a few years before settling into a new decade. Just happens differently for different people - just like smoking. And smoker's breath after awhile...

Whatever, we all have our vices. I find it criminal to contemplate having an inhaler, drinking spring water, and being albino for 100 years versus living a fuller life for x years.
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post #3 of 60
10/29/10 at 12:31pm
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Originally Posted by globetrotter View Post
I think that it is a very strong argument to say "hey, I don't want to fuck a fat chick" but the whole "they are unhealthy" argument is hard to carry, when you are doing things like tanning and smoking.

Both groups you mention could be labeled unhealthy, I mean, being obese is detrimental to your health and can lead to certain medical conditions - so can smoking and (I guess) tanning to some extent.

Which is more harmful to ones health is a question I cannot even begin to unravel, but neither probably increases ones longevity. As with all health-related stuff, context is key.
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post #4 of 60
10/29/10 at 1:28pm
Obesity being repulsive is enough; it being unhealthy just adds to it.
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post #5 of 60
10/29/10 at 2:17pm
Obesity is not tolerated much on SF because it's the #1 thing a person can change to improve their appearance. Tanning and smoking don't change much how you look in your clothes.
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post #6 of 60
10/29/10 at 4:51pm
Strong drunk poast?

I used to smoke. I found it disgusting even while I did it. I would damn near never date a filthy smoker. You'd be staring an early death in the face every day, assuming that the relationship might go all the way.

The same goes for tanning. Again, it's fucking gross, it's a waste of money to look like shit, and dating a tanning addict is just setting yourself up for devastation when cancer and tanning stress wrecks her face.

The same goes for someone who is legitimately obese. Medically obese. It has to be hard to live and love and bring up children with someone who you KNOW will die younger than necessary due to the health complications of obesity. How is that even fair to the kids, anyway, to have a mom losing feet to diabeetus?

I don't get your point. All this shit is gross.

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post #7 of 60
10/29/10 at 4:57pm
George Burns might disagree if he was still around, but I'm not planning to see smoking mentioned by researchers as a means to lengthen life. Some sun exposure, or synthetic moderate UVB ray exposure to produce vitamin D3 would help keep one youthful. D3 is thought to increase telomere length, which in turn is thought to increase life span. "Vitamin D and programmed aging?" http://heartscanblog.blogspot.com/20...med-aging.html
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post #8 of 60
10/29/10 at 5:19pm
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sorry - point being, smoking and tanning less healthy than fat, but more esthetic. we tolorate them, even celebrate them. effectivly, fat hatred not about health, about esthetics.
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post #9 of 60
10/29/10 at 6:57pm
Obesity is really not as unhealthy as we like to make it out to be. If you have an obesity related disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, etc, then you need to lose weight. But if you're otherwise healthy, that extra fat really isn't hurting anything. Apparently overweight people without other conditions tend to live longer than thin people without other conditions, for unclear reasons.

But aesthetics is something we'll never get away from. I don't think this is purely cultural, we're just wired to find people with certain features attractive, and fat is not one of them. Trying to pretend otherwise really ignores human nature. There are going to be consequences to being fat, one of them is people finding you less attractive. It shouldn't give them warrant to harass or discriminate against you, but you can't force attraction.


Now the smoking and tanning thing, they really should just keep their damn mouths shut. We know smoking and tanning are unhealthy, and the benefits are really minimal for a 100% optional and avoidable behavior. I have friends who smoke who can't shut up about how unhealthy artificial sweeteners are. Really, you guys are going to ride that horse, while engaging in a behavior that's proven to be damaging to a much more severe level? Silly hypocrites. People just like judging, I guess.
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post #10 of 60
10/29/10 at 11:45pm
More drinks make globetrotter's post more sensible. Would you rather have a fat obese person in your life or someone who tans, gets melanoma, eventually wrinkles, a pack a day person, who gets emphysema and smoker's breath? The former being cursed since mommy thought hot dogs were a good nutritious meal, the latter when the 30s hit and suddenly her aging goes out of control.

I guess if you're really that vain, you would have dumped the latter after that happens and go for someone else.
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post #11 of 60
10/30/10 at 12:00am
Tanning in moderation is not unhealthy.
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post #12 of 60
10/30/10 at 12:17am
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Tanning in moderation is not unhealthy.

wrong.
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post #13 of 60
10/30/10 at 12:23am
Fat people are gross. Fake-n-bake people are gross. Smoking is gross.
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post #14 of 60
10/30/10 at 1:22am
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Originally Posted by globetrotter View Post
so, what are the general thoughts on this? I think that it is a very strong argument to say "hey, I don't want to fuck a fat chick" but the whole "they are unhealthy" argument is hard to carry, when you are doing things like tanning and smoking.

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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post
Obesity is really not as unhealthy as we like to make it out to be. If you have an obesity related disease, diabetes, high blood pressure, heart disease, etc, then you need to lose weight. But if you're otherwise healthy, that extra fat really isn't hurting anything. Apparently overweight people without other conditions tend to live longer than thin people without other conditions, for unclear reasons.
-first off, I'm neither a smoker (aside from a rare cigar or drunk-cigarette) nor am I obese (I run for fun)

I always hate how in the USA smoking gets such an insane level of hatred aimed at it - much more so than obesity. Yes, smoking isn't healthy... not trying to say it is, but -

I'd argue that you're better off health-wise being thin and smoking an average smoker, than being an obese non-smoker.
(yes of course you're better off health wise being thin and a non-smoker, but where's the fun in being healthy all the time)

For example - France has much lower obesity rates than the US. US has much lower % of smokers. France is generally more healthy / has a higher life expectancy.
http://www.nationmaster.com/red/coun...a-health&all=1
http://www.nationmaster.com/red/coun...a-health&all=1

also as I'm typing this I can't stop thinking of the South Park anti-smoking episode...ahaha
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post #15 of 60
10/30/10 at 1:29am
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Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
wrong.
I did a report on this one time backed by multiple peer reviewed journals. Yes it is. Depends on one's use of the word 'moderation' though. and I am suggesting natural sunlight, not tanning bed. Not to mention the positive psychological effects that most people feel when they are tanner. Call it what you want....just like when somebody gains some muscle, you look better, you feel better.
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