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post #211 of 321
I believe in agnosticism, since no one could jump outside of space-time, whence we cannot affirm nor deny any relation with 'things outside'. That's what I believe, at any rate.
post #212 of 321
i refer to George Carlin's views on religion.
post #213 of 321
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Originally Posted by MiddleClassDude View Post
Seriously. See what I don't get is, if God or 'the gods' let such shitty things happen, why don't they appear to us to apologize? Why keep hidden? If I'm just supposed to follow on blind faith, I'll end up dead and broken like John Locke from LOST. The simplest, Occam's Razor answer is, there is no God...

Haven't been able to follow this thread, but just skimmed a few posts. Thought I'd reply to two things in this one's good thoughts/questions.

First, God/gods let shitty things happen for a good reason, at least according to Augustine and Thomas Aquinas. The thought is that God permits evil in parts for the good of the whole. The best example is that God ultimately wills love, but there's no love without freedom and no freedom without the possibility of evil. So God permits evil for the sake, ultimately, of love.

Second, Occam was a Catholic, Franciscan monk. And the simplest answer to the question of the origin of all things is a single cause, a god. no?
post #214 of 321
Do any of you think aliens believe in God? Or have some remnant of religion integrated?
post #215 of 321
Is it ironic that the worst smelling bathroom I have ever been in was in a church?
post #216 of 321
Ugh. Cannot get sucked into this. too much to do! But here go some brief replies:
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Originally Posted by L.R. View Post
... a) We "believe" in God. We don't "believe" in the Sun, rather, we know it exists ...
Great post. Do we know the Sun revolves around the Earth or do we believe it?
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Originally Posted by XenoX101 View Post
Interesting comments, and indeed the choice to be religious hinges on the unprovable nature of religion, it demands that one reason for faith by a moral imperative of sorts rather than any scientific rational - that God is to be believed not simply because he is "true" but because he is "right" (the belief that the best life is the religious one).
I think truth and the good are convertible. What can we really prove? From Parmenides to Descartes, from the Matrix to Inception, even our senses are not indubitable. There are logical or geometric proofs (including ones for God done by Aristotle and others), but only if one accepts their axioms.
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Originally Posted by tagutcow View Post
As was discussed in an earlier thread, there are two senses of the word "faith" in play here. One sense of "faith" is a belief in something that isn't 100% certain-- eg. "I have faith that after the mid-term elections, there will be a Republican majority in congress." The other sense of "faith" is in the sense of personal trusting, and in this sense, "faith in God" assumes the existence of a personal God...
Lets add a third, namely Thomas's thought that faith is an infused or graced virtue (good habit) that perfects the mind, a share of God's own knowledge.
post #217 of 321
I don't know if I've done this lately, but thank you — emptym — for your posts.
post #218 of 321
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I don't know if I've done this lately, but thank you "” emptym "” for your posts.
Thank you DR. Praise from you is high praise.
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Thank you DR. Praise from you is high praise.

Yes. High praise indeed. HIGH praise.
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Originally Posted by edinatlanta View Post
Yes. High praise indeed. HIGH praise.

My props to you, prop 19 props.
post #221 of 321
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Great post. Do we know the Sun revolves around the Earth or do we believe it?
Emptym, have you gone back a few centuries in time. Did Galileo Galilei and Nicolaus Copernicus give their lives to science for nothing?

Otherwise ... love you post as well.

Perhaps you'll admit my avatar is stellar ... well, perhaps not stellar ... but something.
post #222 of 321
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My props to you, prop 19 props.

your humility knows no bounds, my alfred sargent wearing Jesuit laity friend!
post #223 of 321
i believe god you don't believe god just look at night sky see wonders who's creature is this only one that is "god".God have no figure.Are you want looking god do deep meditation you see only light that is god.
post #224 of 321
The answer to the thread title is yes.

The proof:

http://www.styleforum.net/showthread...highlight=fake
post #225 of 321
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Originally Posted by RSS View Post
Emptym, have you gone back a few centuries in time. Did Galileo Galilei and Nicolaus Copernicus give their lives to science for nothing? Otherwise ... love you post as well. Perhaps you'll admit my avatar is stellar ... well, perhaps not stellar ... but something.
No sir, I don't think they did. But I do think that much of what we think we know, we believe. Thank you. It certainly is something.
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your humility knows no bounds, my alfred sargent wearing Jesuit laity friend!
I wish.
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