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post #46 of 58
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Originally Posted by cldpsu View Post
I'm sure you don't want to sound like you have bronchitis 24/7, so I'd just do it in moderation and look for signs.

Could we really get personally informative feedback from such probabilities (started smoking at age x, smoked y amount a day, and quit smoking at age z)?

If what others mentioned about the relationship of lung regeneration and cancer is true, than how could this test reflect a similar state of lung regeneration at the given age you're considering to start and quit? They would have to conduct several tests which reflect different amounts of regeneration, and I don't know to what extent they would study everyone to learn this and categorize them accordingly. Also, not all cigarettes were created equal, right? That should probably alter things as well. Is a cigarette more or less harmful when smoked with food, or when coupled with something else? Is there a different effect in smoking 10 all at once, or spacing them at every hour, every 2 hours, and if there is, would you follow the routine properly to be accurate? You wouldn't want to accidentally die, haha

Just some ideas I'm thinking about. I understand your desire for concrete data, but it seems rather difficult to get an estimated time, although I'm sure you don't expect to have the date you get cancer marked on your calendar.

First, I already found the statistics I was looking for...I posted the link. Second, the things you're trying to take into consideration are irrelevant. The question was: how many people die from cancer if they smoke x amount starting at age y and stopping at age z. The website compares this number to those who never smoked and those who always smoked...

None of it is claiming to tell you personally whether you'll die or not. Just the probability that you have a combination of traits that will lead you to dying from lung cancer. What this will tell you is the proportion of people in the past who have died of lung cancer due to a certain unlucky combination of genetics, environment, and personal habits. If the number is relatively low, some would say that it's worth the risk.
post #47 of 58
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First, I already found the statistics I was looking for...I posted the link. Second, the things you're trying to take into consideration are irrelevant. The question was: how many people die from cancer if they smoke x amount starting at age y and stopping at age z. The website compares this number to those who never smoked and those who always smoked...

None of it is claiming to tell you personally whether you'll die or not. Just the probability that you have a combination of traits that will lead you to dying from lung cancer. What this will tell you is the proportion of people in the past who have died of lung cancer due to a certain unlucky combination of genetics, environment, and personal habits. If the number is relatively low, some would say that it's worth the risk.



Well I guess I went off topic then, but I was responding to the variables you suggested in your first post:"Probability of getting lung cancer due to smoking at some point in my life if I started smoking at age x, smoked y amount a day, and quit smoking at age z."

As opposed to

how many people die from cancer if they smoke x amount starting at age y and stopping at age z

Without reading the rest of this thread or your link, I was simply considering the factors that might change that probability. Forget about the personal relevance.
post #48 of 58
I am of the strong belief that 1-2 per week won't kill me. Granted, that is just a belief based on the fact that I enjoy smoking things and don't want to hear about any downsides that I can't immediately feel.
post #49 of 58
Haha title is great.
post #50 of 58
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I am of the strong belief that 1-2 per week won't kill me. Granted, that is just a belief based on the fact that I enjoy smoking things and don't want to hear about any downsides that I can't immediately feel.

Yeah I doubt smoking 1-2 cigarettes a week would have a significant measurable impact on your long term health. That being said, I can't be sure. I moved recently and haven't brough my pharmacology and health books so I'm unsure what rate the body can "filter" out cigarettes. Probably less than 1-2 a week, but I don't think the effects would be too bad, as said.
post #51 of 58
Smoking is awesome. I'm sad that I can't do it anymore because it negatively effects my running. Also I hate my clothes smelling like an ashtray and don't want to die.
post #52 of 58
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Originally Posted by TintoTerra View Post
Smoking is awesome.
post #53 of 58
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Originally Posted by slycedbred View Post
It is losers like you that not only believe everything said by an authority figure, but viscerally react angrily towards anyone that has a different opinion. You are the epitome of obedience and predictability. Congratulations, sheep.

Whatever helps you sleep at night. You can make statistics go either way you want. Wait, no you can't...You don't understand the first thing about statistics. I asked for helpful statistics, and you replied with this steaming pile of shit. Well, thanks for nothing.

Are you 14?

I've heard that if you quit before age 35 your risk of getting lung cancer will gradually reduce to that of a non-smoker. But if you continue to smoke the opposite will happen.

You strike me as the kind of asshole that would smoke 3 packs a day for a lifetime and die at the age of 103 while trying to bone the cleaning lady at the old folks home.

But, seriously, you must be quite young to have such an attitude. Good for you, you're supposed to be that way at your age.
post #54 of 58
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You strike me as the kind of asshole that would smoke 3 packs a day for a lifetime and die at the age of 103 while trying to bone the cleaning lady at the old folks home.

Thanks man. That really means something to me. I, too, hope to remain virile in my old age.

But I wouldn't smoke 3 packs a day at that age. Once I hit 80 or so, I would start putting nicotine and tar in my IV. We all know it's more efficient.
post #55 of 58
I'm curious if the rabid anti-smokers here are careful about carcinogens in their foods? Eat enough acrylamides or sodium nitrate and you'll be cancer fodder just like the rest of us who smoke or smoked.
post #56 of 58
Yeah no doubt there is bad stuff in lots of food. Pretty hard to argue that these are comparable at all in volume, toxicity, or the amount that is ingested in the body and bloodstream (not to mention lungs...) however.
post #57 of 58
You want some numbers I'll give you my latest. I'm a DDS student and the faculty are constantly throwing research at us about how bad smoking is for both your overall health and mouth. Probably not terribly relevant, but yesterday I was studying for a dental implant exam, and it had these numbers.

Implant-smoking related failures: Odds Ratio 2.25
In bone augmented areas: Odds Ratio 3.61
Implant failures in grafted sinuses of smokers: 12.7%
Implant failures in grafted sinuses of non-smokers 4.8%

For reference a dental implant costs $3-5000 without bone augmentation or sinus graft.

We see research numbers like this for damn near everything related to smoking. I'm not going to bother going into the physiology here, but the science is real. Smoking wrecks your smile. There I've done my public service for the day.
post #58 of 58
Some people will just say "YEAH BUT OR of 3 is only like 0.2% x 3 = .6% thats fuck all" If you add up all of the downsides though it ends up being like 50% Teehee. You can cite that.
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