Originally Posted by LA Guy
For example, real sticklers would contend that wing collars are not suitable with an informal dinner jacket.
I had that exact discussion with another chap last the other night. He was adament that the wing collar went only with white tie.... Not dinner Jacket for black tie - whilst i concur that sounds plausable, it does not mean that one must wear a wing exclusively with white tie ( also with morning dress and ascot cravat), One could also wear an Imperial high collar with White tie - One which has no wing or fold down.
Really fashions is dependant on Era, over a number of years within an Era a tradition may occur.... Protocol is often formed from people conforming to a tradition, to become convention. Thus whn people ask me about Dress codes what people really want to know is what is "Conventional" - Not being pompas a55
mnerely informing of what 'was' done...
The thing is there are many traditions, and who to say which is more correct that another, though some traditions are have been around longer than others. Some when it the out, the back in to fashion!
One interesting new term is now HBT "Hollywood Black Tie"
where by people dress down, in Dark Suits, often no ties and dark shirts with double cuffs, without cufflinks! - cuffs folded outside the jacket sleve e.t.c. These people who do not follow convention. - Is this Style? or merely self-centred rich people wishing to show off.
Whilst I would put HBT into the general backet of 'fashion' - personally I would not consider it to be 'stylish'.
The advantage of traditional black tie, was not to show off, but to show others around you how much you respect them being there. Not to turning up scruffy. Also it would put all chaps on the same playing field. You could be rich or just the 'average Joe' but when everyone conformed to the same dress code, it was then just left to personality and actions to differentated everyone.